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Conflict in the Middle East

How is forced starvation allowed?

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Tinycatnoise · 23/07/2025 22:28

The top story in the BBC right now is the starvation of Gazans by Israel. The images are horrifying and not dissimilar to seeing those images of concentration camps in Nazi Germany. I cried seeing those and am crying now. I am sure someone will claim antisemitism because of this statement, but anyone looking at these images of starving children would agree.

How is this still going on? I feel like we are watching a genocide take place that the world has turning a blind eye to. The daily shooting by Israel of people trying to get aid too is just barbaric. If nothing is being done to stop this, what is the next horror that will unfold in the world that people will just accept?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce9xkx7vnmxo

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kirinm · 28/07/2025 13:43

Are B’Tselem and Physicians for Human Rights- human rights orgs pro-Palestinian? Just checking as both are based in Israel and both say Israel are committing genocide . Obviously posters here know better.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 28/07/2025 13:43

Anonimummy · 28/07/2025 13:22

Absolutely. It’s thanks to this mentality that this war has continued for so long IMO. Hamas are well aware of the public support they have and also that these people will blindly accept the propaganda coming out of Gaza, and use it to put pressure on governments with public opinion.

They are literally enabling terrorists to use their people as human sacrifices.

While shouting about how much they care about the babies.

If I wasn’t alive to see it myself playing out in real time, I wouldn’t believe it tbh.

That’s a pretty disturbing way to talk about people who are horrified by mass starvation and the deaths of thousands of children. You don’t have to agree with everything they say- but suggesting they’re ‘enabling terrorists’ because they care about Palestinian civilians? That’s not just wrong, it’s dehumanising.

Twiglets1 · 28/07/2025 13:44

@Voxon I think it's very bad of you not to be feeling more outrage about Gaza than for all the other crises in the world. Especially as you've been told how you should be feeling from someone who knows. And they know because they got it from Grok.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 28/07/2025 13:47

Voxon · 28/07/2025 13:42

Me neither. I used to think people from historical situations believed propaganda because they had limited sources of information. Now I see they believe it because they want to. I've seriously just had to reply to a post where I'm pretty sure the person was claiming Hamas don't lie 😂

It’s odd how ‘believing propaganda’ suddenly includes listening to the U.N., Doctors Without Borders, Human Rights Watch, the Red Cross, Save the Children… Are they all in on it too?

It’s not that people want to believe lies. It’s that some of us are capable of recognising that not all governments, especially those waging war, tell the truth and that Palestinian lives shouldn’t have to pass a higher credibility test to count.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 28/07/2025 13:48

Twiglets1 · 28/07/2025 13:44

@Voxon I think it's very bad of you not to be feeling more outrage about Gaza than for all the other crises in the world. Especially as you've been told how you should be feeling from someone who knows. And they know because they got it from Grok.

Ah yes- when actual facts, firsthand accounts, and independent evidence are dismissed as ‘being told how to feel.’

It’s always easier to mock than engage with the reality that Gaza is a uniquely devastating crisis

Voxon · 28/07/2025 13:50

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hotchocfiend · 28/07/2025 13:52

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You know full well that the “war” would not end if the hostages were returned. Don’t be obtuse.

Twiglets1 · 28/07/2025 13:53

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The conversation always turns personal after a while - trust me, I know.

Voxon · 28/07/2025 13:54

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 28/07/2025 13:47

It’s odd how ‘believing propaganda’ suddenly includes listening to the U.N., Doctors Without Borders, Human Rights Watch, the Red Cross, Save the Children… Are they all in on it too?

It’s not that people want to believe lies. It’s that some of us are capable of recognising that not all governments, especially those waging war, tell the truth and that Palestinian lives shouldn’t have to pass a higher credibility test to count.

They're not being held to a higher credibility test. They're being held to the same one. No conflict should be fuelled by false stories, staged images or misleading journalism.

AzurePanda · 28/07/2025 13:57

Why do the parents and siblings of the starving children pictured look average sized? I’d starve to death in an instant rather than let that befall my child before me.

Twiglets1 · 28/07/2025 13:58

hotchocfiend · 28/07/2025 13:52

You know full well that the “war” would not end if the hostages were returned. Don’t be obtuse.

It depends what you mean by the "war".

In the literal sense of it being a war, it will end when one side surrenders or the two sides agree a permanent ceasefire. There will be no more fighters shooting or bombs dropping so in that sense the fire will cease.

Will it be an end to the troubles of the Palestinian people? No, probably not unfortunately.

Twiglets1 · 28/07/2025 13:59

AzurePanda · 28/07/2025 13:57

Why do the parents and siblings of the starving children pictured look average sized? I’d starve to death in an instant rather than let that befall my child before me.

Because this particular child has complex medical needs that are not being met. Including the need for specialist infant formula milk that he is not receiving.

LipstickLessons · 28/07/2025 14:00

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She is blaming 'the side' using starvation as a weapon of war. Starvation of a civilian population is a war crime, a crime against humanity, and/or an act of genocide according to modern international criminal law.

Anonimummy · 28/07/2025 14:01

Voxon · 28/07/2025 13:38

Lol. I'm not sure where you got this from (and ignoring the bizarre petition over the honesty of Jihadi terrorists) but you're very much mistaken.

Hamas are notorious liars about casualty figures.

In the 2008–09 conflict, Hamas claimed most of the dead were civilians. Later, they admitted up to 60% were their own fighters - exactly what Israel had said all along.

The same occured in 2014 - The UN used Gaza Health Ministry data, but independent analysis later showed that at least half of the casualties were combatants, despite early Hamas figures suggesting they were mostly civilians.

In this war, the Gaza Health Ministry is under Hamas control, and has again been economical with the truth.

They do not distinguish between combatants and civilians. They position people as press or aid workers without mentioning they're also military. They include people killed by misfired rockets (about 10–15% of Hamas' own launches). They count duplicate names, people who were already dead, and in some cases, falsified identities (as noted by multiple watchdogs).

The Biden administration and multiple international analysts have expressed serious doubts about the figures, especially the gender and age breakdowns Hamas provided in October and November, which dramatically shifted without explanation.

The OCHR are careful to point out their casualty data is unverified.

They also include natural deaths that would have happened with no war, which are around 5,000 per year, so around 9,000 over 21 months.

It also doesn’t make sense that there are ‘estimates’ of thousands of dead in the rubble of bombed areas but also it is accepted that civilians areas are evacuated.

Make it make sense!

Anonimummy · 28/07/2025 14:03

LipstickLessons · 28/07/2025 14:00

She is blaming 'the side' using starvation as a weapon of war. Starvation of a civilian population is a war crime, a crime against humanity, and/or an act of genocide according to modern international criminal law.

The side using starvation as a weapon of war is Hamas, with the complicity of the UN.

inamarina · 28/07/2025 14:05

hotchocfiend · 28/07/2025 13:52

You know full well that the “war” would not end if the hostages were returned. Don’t be obtuse.

How do you know that? Has Hamas tried returning all the hostages?

ETA: returning all the hostages and surrendering.

Kakeandkake · 28/07/2025 14:08

Anonimummy · 28/07/2025 14:03

The side using starvation as a weapon of war is Hamas, with the complicity of the UN.

Don't be so ridiculous. The UN? Really?

LipstickLessons · 28/07/2025 14:10

Anonimummy · 28/07/2025 14:03

The side using starvation as a weapon of war is Hamas, with the complicity of the UN.

No. You are being silly now. Saying things doesn't make them true no matter how many times you say them.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 28/07/2025 14:11

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It’s not a ‘halo,’ it’s basic humanity. And caring about mass starvation, the deliberate blocking of aid, and the systemic killing of civilians doesn’t mean I excuse Hamas- it means I don’t excuse anyone.

What’s unbelievable is acting like the only moral stance is to demand surrender from a group you already see as irredeemable, while staying silent about the power actively inflicting the most damage.

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 28/07/2025 14:14

Anonimummy · 28/07/2025 14:03

The side using starvation as a weapon of war is Hamas, with the complicity of the UN.

UN are complicit in using starvation as a weapon of war?
Can you back up that claim with any evidence?

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 28/07/2025 14:14

AzurePanda · 28/07/2025 13:57

Why do the parents and siblings of the starving children pictured look average sized? I’d starve to death in an instant rather than let that befall my child before me.

This has already been answered on multiple threads and anyone with a medical background will know but starvation doesn’t affect everyone in the same way, at the same speed, or with the same visible signs- especially children.

Malnutrition hits children faster and harder because:

  • Their bodies are still developing
  • They have less body fat to draw on
  • Their immune systems are weaker
  • (Source: WHO, UNICEF, MSF, UNRWA- take your pick.)

And many of the adults you’re seeing are not “well-fed”, they’re surviving. You can be malnourished without looking skeletal. You can be hungry for months and still not “look like it” to someone skimming photos on the internet.
Many parents do go without and it still isn’t enough to protect their kids. That’s how dire the situation is.

A better question is:
Why is any child starving while trucks of food sit just miles away, deliberately blocked?

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 28/07/2025 14:16

Twiglets1 · 28/07/2025 13:53

The conversation always turns personal after a while - trust me, I know.

It only feels personal when people deflect from facts by accusing others of being dishonest or ‘performative’ for caring. That’s not debate.

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 28/07/2025 14:16

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 28/07/2025 14:11

It’s not a ‘halo,’ it’s basic humanity. And caring about mass starvation, the deliberate blocking of aid, and the systemic killing of civilians doesn’t mean I excuse Hamas- it means I don’t excuse anyone.

What’s unbelievable is acting like the only moral stance is to demand surrender from a group you already see as irredeemable, while staying silent about the power actively inflicting the most damage.

You are very patient. The points have been made countless times to this poster they are not interested in anything but their own truth. I'd suggest disengaging. Their minority view is just not worth the energy

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 28/07/2025 14:18

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 28/07/2025 14:16

It only feels personal when people deflect from facts by accusing others of being dishonest or ‘performative’ for caring. That’s not debate.

I noticed a poster also called everyone posting here who are of a different view useless idiots. It is obvious who is getting personal and resorting to personal attacks

PinkBobby · 28/07/2025 14:24

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As you’re available enough to call me a ‘useful idiot’, please may you answer the many questions I have asked you over the last 24hrs? Presenting evidence and sources is much less idiotic than name calling people who disagree with you.

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