Anti-semitism in the UK

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Published yesterday I believe.

Evidence of anti-Semitism in the UK

Not sure if that link will work so…

https://x.com/nicolelampert/status/1944147294917439912?s=61&t=_cKTNp_TyAyzDViEOCJDFQ

Thank you, because I used to be a teacher and I certainly didn't stuff ideologies down kids' throats. Teachers teach people to think, not to squawk like parrots.

Great discussion between these two. Covers lots of salient points and is a reasoned discussion without incendiary catchphrases.

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I’m so terribly sorry 😔

I know. It shocked me to the core.

Great article here by John Spencer on the current slaughter of the Druze in Syria. https://substack.com/@spencerguard/note/p-168754113?utm_source=notes-share-action]]

“As always, what matters most is not just what is done, but who does it. While the international community hesitates, while human rights organizations say little, while Western capitals issue muted statements or none at all, Israel has stepped forward. When others calculate political risks, Israel sees human lives. When others look away, Israel acts.

The silence is deafening. The same institutions and voices that claim to champion human rights have gone quiet. There have been no emergency UN sessions. No international protests. No hashtags. No outcry. It is a silence that reveals the selective morality of those who only speak when it fits their politics. It is a silence that enables genocide. And it is a silence that history will remember.

This moment reveals a deeper truth. It shows what solidarity looks like when it costs something. It shows what it means to remember your own history and refuse to let others suffer alone. It shows that the vow of never again is not only about one people, but about the kind of world we are willing to build.”

I hope all the pro-Palestines supporters who have come on this thread and haunt the CITME board have been out marching to stop the genocide in Syria this weekend.

' selective morality' . I think this is a bit unfair. I think that decent people everywhere ALWAYS speak out when atrocities are being committed,

I didn't see any protests about 7 October on the UK streets...?

Although at 12:50 p.m. on 7 October, the Palestine Solidarity Campaign (PSC) notified the Met Police of their plans for a mass protest the following Saturday (14 October). This request came while the attack was still unfolding.

The 14 October protest went ahead in central London, drawing thousands of demonstrators and resulting in clashes with police in Trafalgar Square, where at least 15 people were arrested.

Tells you all you need to know really.

They don't though! Where are tje threads about other atrocities in the world? How does the chant 'resistance is justified' square with the atrocity of 7 October?

Yeah, they don’t though. Not on this.

I’m on X and usually have to wade through reams and reams of pro-Palestine threads. It’s great that people are standing up for what they believe, but those same people are not using the voice they have to support the Druze right now. Think of all the accounts who have been posting about Gaza for nearly two years and the amount of coverage they get. Would it kill them to pop up a “All eyes on Suwayda” post? They’re making people jump off their balconies, kidnapping babies and murdering hundreds. The videos are all available. It’s a genocide happening right now and…nothing.

How many Druze flags were flown at protest marches yesterday?

How many people are putting Druze flags in their bios?

Lots of people who have been yelling about genocide are suddenly very quiet about one happening in real time.

Conclusion from your comment could be that there’s not that many decent people around.

Actually, I’ll qualify my previous comment. You are right. Decent people do always speak out when atrocities are committed. Those who do not speak out are not decent.

Atrocity for me, but not for thee.

Suggesting nobody was appalled by 7th October just isn't true. We dont all have the opportunity or capacity to go marching. Doesn't mean people don t express their disgust at atrocities no matter where or by whom.

Like I said before, I dont think anybody with more than two braincells would think 7th October was justified. SOME ppl going on ProPalestinian marches doesn't equate to EVERYBODY agreeing with them and bei ng selective about which atrocities they support. It just doesn't.

That's a very strange logical stretch I think. I

I'm sure ppl will start to voice their opinions now its being flagged up.

That doesnt wash because we know resistance is justified is a standard chat on the marches. People found the time to celebrate 7 October, and it is routinely denied here tjat those celebrations happened. They have found the time to demonstrate extensively 'for gaza', to desecrate memorials to the hostages, to abuse and intimidate and harass Jews holding events for the hostages. There have been numerous vigils for the hostages and 2 large demos against antisemitism & for the hostages. Overwhelmingly attended by Jewish people but not so many others (there is another this September which you can join). Iranians are always there too of course.

For me, the problem is the timing of how those marches originated and hence the obvious ideology behind them. Especially given that the focus of protest is always Israel, not Hamas. It's hard not to feel anxious that well-meaning UK citizens are being manipulated into accidentally lending their support to a brutal rise in antisemitism, the likes of which I haven't seen in my lifetime (I was born just a few years after WW2 ended). I find it very frightening, and I'm not Jewish!

I would of course say that that isnt all right. I think that any decent person would find celebrations of 7th October repugnant. I remember watching the reports on TV and finding it shocking. .What we need to have is some big ProPeace rallies where people come together in support of peace for all in the middle east. I know that's easier said than done. Maybe if there were general peace rallies it would become more obvious when fanatics hijack them for their own purposes..

Yes I said in another post that if they became emphasised as ' peace 'marches instead of propalestinian marches then there would be less opportunity for fanatics to hijack them .

Again, what worries me about this is that they ARE tagged as "Peace" marches and yet the agenda, based on how they were originally organised, is suspect. I'm not saying those who take part are deliberately supporting a terrorist threat against Jewish people in our country (although some are), but that makes it even more unsettling and insidious.

Do you have a date for the September march? If I get it in my diary now...

Israel has an interesting relationship with the Druze. Some of the IDF's senior commanders are Druze, as are a lot of its military trackers. You don't hear much about this. Inconvenient truths and all that.

Indeed!

The march is 7 September and deails are on the Campaign against antisemitism website.

Great, thank you!

Yes then I suppose the police need to investigate

To further your point, a large amount of Pro Palestinians found it within their emotional remit to support the Youths and the Hezbollah " cause" in ways that they have not been able to do for Druze or other Near and Middle Eastern minorities under the cosh of Islamism.
But the rest of us are not meant to identify an elephant in the room?
Not ten posts in and somebody came with the " protesting against genocide is not anti Semitism" anti Semitic trope.