Anti-semitism in the UK

[Lolapusht]

Published yesterday I believe.

Evidence of anti-Semitism in the UK

Not sure if that link will work so…

https://x.com/nicolelampert/status/1944147294917439912?s=61&t=_cKTNp_TyAyzDViEOCJDFQ

The Sky News article quotes both the Syrian Government and the independent Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR), who is frequently critical of the government.Those are both on the ground sources.

Claiming you follow OSINT accounts is no great claim to insight as many are ill-informed grifters.

😂sky news and you skip over multiple deaths , then segue into Syrian network diatribe about Israeli occupation forces.

This caught my eye, no Jews no news though.

snhr.org/blog/2025/07/03/the-death-of-2818-civilians-including-201-children-and-194-women-and-17-deaths-due-to-torture-recorded-in-the-first-half-of-2025/

@Lolapusht your post is really useful. I have started to try understand more regards this element. I didn't know that regarding Qatar.

Let's say that the public fully accepts this, embraces this reality and decided yes, this is of greater importance and relevance than my decision to plank position protest and shout River to the Sea.

What could a nation of people do, ( here) if they all collectively accept what you point out? How could this acceptance and awareness effect change that addresses this wider issue? There might be no answer to that.

I have somewhat more respect if someone does go to or near the region to physically assist in a constructive way. Yet, I'm currently too disturbed by crying Westerners on a pilgrimage to explore this further right now.

The general concensus of opinion amongst the majority of countries and human rights organisations is to go for a two state solution. Like yourself I couldn’t say whether this is 100% workable but everyone has a right to live in peace and safety. The current proposal by the IG doesn’t offer that.

Yes you absolutely have flipped the narrative.

Not least by omitting in your story that shooting heavy artillery at civilians in the country next door is also illegal.

Syria spent nearly 20 years shelling Israeli civilians, occupying demilitarised zones, and breaching the 1949 armistice agreement.

Israel filed complaint after complaint with the UN, documented the aggression, and asked for protection.

The UN did NOTHING.

Then in 1967, when Israel finally took the Golan Heights in a defensive move during a war it didn’t start, the UN condemned Israel—not Syria.

The UN is heavily influenced by the automatic voting bloc of Arab and Muslim-majority nations, along with other nations eager to avoid confrontation or court favour with oil-rich states.

It has a proven culture of false moral equivalence, treating an aggressor and a defender as equally to blame.

No country on planet earth would let itself be fired on for twenty years and do nothing. Israels repeated petitions to the UN speak clearly on the obvious truth that it just wanted it's citizens to stop being fired at.

Yet you come here and try and dress it up as Israel being the baddie, as usual, so predicatable.

Under international law, if Syria was firing at Israel for decades and the UN wouldn't do anything, what were they supposed to do? Just be fired at forever? This seems to largely be the standard people hold Israel to.

No, international law doesn’t require a country to just sit and take fire.

Yes, Israel had a legal and moral right to stop the attacks—especially when the UN failed to act.
The UN's condemnation, in this case, ignored both the history and the legal reality. Just as you are doing.

Always the same, every story has to twisted, but the UN has gone too far and it's likely going to unravel.

Wow. I had no idea. Who else has no idea? Who will give a shit when they read this? Will they stop crying about Palestine, put down their flag and cry about this?

No. A huge proportion of people will not.

I'm very concerned that any criticism of The Israeli Government is deemed anti semitic. It's not. Neither is criticism of Zionism.

Nobody should be victimised because of their religion but my experience is there is a huge anti Muslim prejudice in some quarters of the UK fuelled by a certain party I'd probably get deleted for even mentioning. Also - watching the Orange Order with their bonfires topped by 'refugees in boats' was abhorrent and yet allowed as entertainment on UK soil without much of a peep from anybody. That the Orange Order can parade anti Catholic bigotry across our land at all is bad enough.

The criticism of what is going on in Gaza should be a concern to all of us - and loud and vocally protested about by our governments. It's way too quiet on that - shamefully so. I'll not be silenced in my criticism of the Israeli Government or Zionism by anybody or stand being accused of 'anti semitism' because I do.

What is Zionism, @StoneofDestiny and do you consider ‘Zionists are controlling your government’ to be antisemitic?

I'm struggling with your reading comprehension.

I never said that nobody had died.

There clearly have been deaths.

I said that your statement that the Syrian government was massacring Druze was incorrect.

I even provided a news article from a respected source to verify this.

You seem to think you are being very clever, by not admitting that you were wrong, but instead responding by stating things like:

Sky News is partisan

Denying the article has on the ground sources

Both of which I have disproved at which point you claimed to prefer OSINT sources (aka unverified sources on Twitter)

It is odd that you label the SNHR, which again is an independent organisation, as a "Syrian network diatribe" when it reports on the actions of the Israeli government in Syria, yet when it has news you find pleasing to your world view, you are happy to respect it as a news source, which should be more wider reported.

However, for those who follow the media as opposed to solely relying random OSINT accounts on Twitter because they have the most gruesome footage, the ongoing issues in Syria, clearly do receive media coverage. The outbreak of violence on the coast earlier this year was widely reported upon in the international media and as demonstrated by the Sky News reporting, ongoing events in Suwayda are also receiving coverage.

Yep, nobody should be victimised for their religion and that has legal protection in theory and occasionally practice as per pp.

Do you believe the state of Israel should continue to exist?

Fact: Islamic terrorism is a threat to the UK. The biggest threat.
Fact: Jews are not a threat to the UK
Stop bleating about anti Islam whilst you’re continuing to defend a terrorist foreign government.
It shouldn’t be ‘islamaphobia’ if I want to critique Islam but hey ho.
I’m more concerned about the safety of Jews in Britain. It’s a pity more people aren’t.

Very well said.

Criticising the policies of a government is not the same as attacking a people or a faith. We do it with our own government regularly, and it would be absurd to call that anti-British. The same principle applies here.

Calling out Zionism as a political ideology or opposing the actions of the Israeli state (especially when they involve the killing and displacement of thousands) is a moral stance, not a hateful one.

Meanwhile, Islamophobia and other forms of racism are often ignored or normalised, and that double standard is deeply concerning. We should be able to speak clearly and firmly against injustice wherever it happens without being shouted down with bad-faith accusations.

Silencing people by calling them antisemitic for caring about Palestinian lives not only misuses the term, it dilutes the fight against real antisemitism.

I see the ‘victim’ cries are appearing 🤔🙄

If you're addressing all those points to me, it's not my reading comprehension that's flawed.

If the concern is antisemitism in the UK, why derail the conversation by dragging UK Muslims into it with sweeping generalisations? It’s entirely possible to take antisemitism seriously without using it to bash another group. Criticism of a foreign government committing atrocities is not defending terrorism. If we care about safety and justice, we should be able to oppose all hate, not play identity politics with it.

Shifting the focus like that sounds like baiting and parroting far-right talking points.

@StoneofDestiny I hear what you're saying. And I do agree too with parts. It's why I am a political floater. Because no way looks to me like the good way.

I don't like the idea of REFORM. I see a situation could however bring something about that is very ugly and that might involve Reform.

Thinking of some kid fleeing that situation in Syria sat in a hotel at risk of being burnt down potentially, or fearing that - I don't want that. That is not ok. I also think about people living lives I don't understand or live ( poor people who can't move away) who will be upset and I don't deny their experience as being racists. Some might be. Again, we are ignoring people's personal stories and experiences.

I believe that people will do things I won't like to stomach, including say examples from what the IDF may be doing. I don't believe this is always anti Semitism to have a problem with that.

The problem is we can't determine intent for many here in this Country. Too many people are however clueless and need to go home with their flags really because even not knowing their intent, I can see it doesn't look right to me.

When I talk about crying protesters, I'm not automatically saying it's Anti Semitism. For many it will be subconsciously. Did you read my post where I highlight my own elements of feeling envy, having a view of one group as advantaged and seeming to act in a manner of ' superiority'. I have said this and look at my posts. So what is bubbling under people with Pro P flags? I challenge my reactions and believe it's probably just envy for me and therefore must be challenged. And I do.

I now feel that the group perceived this way by many are actually really vulnerable and I don't like it. I personally align significantly more with this group of people and the freedom they and their Homeland represents and provides. Including for Arabic people. Gay people? I align with this.

I can't tell you exactly what feeds the mass alignment to Pro Palestine. I absolutely refuse to accept it's so much about the actual cause of the Palestinian people. For what reason people do this - I can't tell you with proof and accuracy.

I've been very open and honest about my position.

Pp was responding to another poster as far as I can see. Perfectly valid.
I've noticed that the 'far right' label is often used as a silencing tactic to terminate debate. Don't be scared, you won't catch it if you've had your jabs, unless you're an anti-vaxxer, flat-earther, climate change denier, brexiteer....(Did I miss any?)

Not derailed. Did you not see the earlier post about the British Muslim who decided to make death threats against a British Jew?
If I display an Israel flag it’s only British Muslims and Privileged white people who give me hate.
Stop being so defensive. It’s a thing

@Hotchocolatebuns it isn't fair to keep saying far right.

I go hard left on one area and then move right away on others. I don't believe anyone saying what you're uncomfortable hearing is far right or racist.

If we lived in the 1980s, this conversation would be different for me. I would see a particular group as incredibly vulnerable. That's not happening though.

The religion and ideology element is unfortunately very relevant. I cannot believe how many interviews and how much footage I have watched and read where an undercurrent seeps in. That's often a view about Jewish Israelis. That then sadly will extend to Jewish people here.

What is very unsettling is that this is playing out, yet no one is allowed to say, Islam is quite problematic in all this is it not? The fundamentals of an ideology even written in it's texts that do send a message about sharing, about Jews, about action to take.

This feeds into Hamas. And supports the problem wherein they are operating through principles of this ideology that I certainly don't like. That their actions and position are relevant in the context of the Middle East when a two state solution is suggested or let's share, play nice, peace comes out. Well how when it's the antithesis of an ideology they breathe?

People get very pissed off when silenced over this reality. Or called Far Right. You cut any conversation off immediately then.

That last para is very racist!

How the hell is it racist?

Perhaps have a think about whether you apply criticism with equal sensitivity.

When you "criticise" Israel do you do it obsessively, daily even, more than any other world issue?

When you "criticise" Israel do you expect of it things you'd not expect from any other country?

When you "criticise" Israel do you use antisemitic tropes to do it? Like accusing the Israel lobby of controlling the government or accusing Israel of deliberately killing children?

Do you fundamentally support Jewish self-determination as being equally valid to Palestinian?

It's not as hard as people make out to criticise Israel. As you mentioned yourself, there's a certain group/ party who use the pretence of legitimate criticism to target a certain religious groups.

I'm very upset about grooming gangs for example. What I don't do is express this by demanding all British Muslims denounce anything, obsessively posting about it, attending marches every weekend with racist signs, attacking Muslim buildings, ostracising Muslim people or otherwise making it my life's mission to dismantle Islam.

People can easily identify the difference should they want to. My experience is that when people come into an antisemitism discussion to - rather than truly engage it - issue subtle counter accusations, the implication is clear.

There's a well held principle in British society that if the majority of a group, or even one member of a group, says "I feel like you're being racist to me" we are morally obligated to think long and hard.

This doesn't apply to Jews. If they have a thread to discuss it, people will come onto it with the intention of reframing the situation to "yes but" and their pretty obvious implication here is either that they know better what antisemitism is than the victim (although none can read or understand the definitions of antisemitism), or, Jews are just lying about it.

Which is in itself a conspiracy theory. I assure you Jews are not lying about antisemitism nor trying to twist "criticism of Israel" into antisemitism as some sneaky plot. The woman here describes her kids being spat on. 80% of British Jews are scared to be visibly Jewish.

Really, the opposite is happening and people are engaging in really obvious antisemitism and then to deflect, they are mischaracterising it as then just being stand up citizens with big hearts.

This has to change.

Indeed, not all white people are privileged.

Let’s be real - if someone said the same kind of sweeping things about Jews or Christians, we’d all immediately recognise it as prejudice. So why is it acceptable (to you) when it’s about Muslims? Criticising Hamas or political violence is one thing. But painting an entire religion as the root of the problem crosses a line. It’s not brave or honest, it’s just lazy and dangerous. People aren’t being “silenced” for asking hard questions, they’re being called out for blaming whole communities based on fear and bias.

Which brings us back to the topic of the thread