Anti-semitism in the UK

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Published yesterday I believe.

Evidence of anti-Semitism in the UK

Not sure if that link will work so…

https://x.com/nicolelampert/status/1944147294917439912?s=61&t=_cKTNp_TyAyzDViEOCJDFQ

There was quite extensive coverage by the media here when there were protests against Hamas. Do you not live in England that you didn't see it?

I just reject the idea that Palestinians must prove themselves worthy of basic rights by distancing themselves from Hamas, as if they’re all personally responsible. That framing is dehumanising.

Your characterisation of "basic rights" here is the freedom to live in the country next door, of which you are not a legal citizen and the right to have a military blockade removed whilst their leaders have shown themselves to present an existential threat. These are not "basic rigtts" for anybody. What you're arguing for is the removal of israels basic right to defend itself.

The point isn’t whether they deserve freedom and dignity- of course they do. The issue is that Gaza is controlled by Hamas, a terror organisation that started this war with a massacre, openly uses civilians as shields, and actively prevents aid and evacuations. That makes the situation tragically complex- not because Palestinians are guilty by association, but because Hamas wants them to suffer and die and has embedded itself so deeply that military action unavoidably affects civilians.

We don’t apply this logic to any other population. No one says civilians elsewhere should be starved, bombed, or stripped of dignity because of who controls their borders. But that’s exactly what’s happening in Gaza.

We do apply this logic elsewhere. In every war, even in wars where civilians are held hostage by brutal regimes—ISIS in Syria, the Taliban in Afghanistan, even Nazi Germany—civilians suffer because their rulers provoke war and hide behind them. It's not fair, but it’s reality. Calling that reality “collective punishment” ignores Hamas’s strategy and gives them a pass.

What I’m speaking to is the collective punishment of an entire people, over two million people, half of them children, treated as guilty by association.
You need to acknowledge who is keeping them trapped—and it’s not just Israel. Egypt controls Gaza’s southern border. Hamas has rejected multiple ceasefire offers and attacked crossings where aid comes in. If we want Gazans to live in safety and freedom, start by demanding that Hamas stop using them as cannon fodder. That’s how you protect children. Not by ignoring who’s putting them in harm’s way.

Palestinians are owed freedom, safety, and dignity, not someday, not conditionally, but now.

Israel cannot give them any of those things, and Israelis are owed freedom and safety too.

People are more concerned about Israel getting backlash for their despicable crimes in Gaza if journalists are allowed in than seeing the truth being reported. It's so easy now for Israel to dismiss anything that comes out of Gaza that goes against their narrative as 'Hamas propaganda'. They wouldn't be able to do that if independently journalists were there to witness it too.

https://news.sky.com/story/israels-block-on-international-journalists-in-gaza-should-not-be-allowed-to-stand-13385627

The IDF are always banging on about how 'moral' they are. Why don't they want journalists to see for themselves?

If the media do not want to provide "full and undeniable reporting" from outside Gaza, that will not change once they are inside Gaza and under threat of violence by Hamas.

Yes the fox news reporters will be so scared of Hamas to report the truth once they are back in the US. Who do you think you are fooling with this?

Meanwhile Israel shoots reporters like Shireen Abu Akleh in the head. How can you bang on about reporters coming under pressure from Hamas whilst ignoring how many journalists Israel has killed over the years.

They were reporting before. More than 200 have been killed by the IDF. Not so much the threat of Hamas for them

Oh and let's not forget they also lied and said it wasn't them until they got caught out.

Your last paragraph. The arrogance of such an attitude speaks volumes Palestinians freedom, safety and dignity is not Israel’s to ‘give’.

Same argument from the lot of you.

Israel is bad if civilians get killed
But Israel is also bad if civilians are moved to safety.

Genocide if they stay
Ethnic cleansing if they're moved to safety

“Freedom” the day after a cease-fire is not abstract. It means an end to siege and military rule, freedom of movement through their own seaport and airport.

What happens when they import weapons? This isn't academic. Hamas has dug hundreds of tunnels beneath the Rafah/Philadelphi Corridor for smuggling arms, rockets, ammunition and other military supplies from Egypt into Gaza.

In 2002, Israeli commandos intercepted a ship in the Red Sea carrying 50 tons of weapons—including Katyusha rockets and anti-tank missiles—destined for Gaza.

In 2011, the Israeli navy seized 50 tons of arms, including anti-ship missiles and mortars, from a vessel headed toward Gaza.

Most weapons in Gaza are locally manufactured, from whatever is available that they can sneak in. Components and expertise come from Iran, Hezbollah, and other external actors, often smuggled by sea or tunnel.

So what happens when they use this freedom as they've shown they will do to import weapons of mass destruction which they have said outright they would not hesitate to fire at Te Aviv.

When 50,000 Israelis are dead in a day, how will you feel? Will we need to take that it context?

Courts that apply one body of civil law to everyone, and elections that are not vetoed by an outside army.
Gaza runs its own courts, the Palestinians authority run theirs. Palestinians are not Israeli citizens. It is not one big country.

I assume that Egypt keeps Rafah tight because it refuses to be the back-door partner to mass transfer - international law calls that forcible deportation. The solution is not to move Palestinians out, it is to stop bombing them in.

Egypt doesn’t keep the Rafah crossing tightly controlled because it's worried about becoming a "partner to forcible transfer." It does so because it doesn't want Hamas operatives or weapons spilling into Sinai, where Egypt has fought its own Islamist insurgency for years. Cairo has flooded tunnels, destroyed buildings near the border, and even jailed Palestinians trying to cross—not out of solidarity, but out of security concerns and a long-standing mistrust of Hamas, which is linked to the Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt's outlawed opposition.

Forcible deportation refers to a state removing civilians from their land against their will, not civilians evacuating temporarily from a war zone or fleeing to save their lives. If people leave voluntarily or for safety, it’s called evacuation or refugee flight, not deportation. No law forbids Egypt from offering sanctuary or opening Rafah to aid evacuations. In fact, blocking civilians from fleeing bombardment is morally indefensible - especially when those same civilians are trapped between a terror group and a war.

So no, Egypt’s closure isn't about legal theory. It's about politics, security, and its own national interests.

It's so easy now for Israel to dismiss anything that comes out of Gaza that goes against their narrative as 'Hamas propaganda'. They wouldn't be able to do that if independently journalists were there to witness it too.

Give me an example of something Israel dismisses as Hamas propaganda that journalists would be able to verify locally, and please explain what that verification process would be.

Unless you're assuming journalists would witness everything first hand, they'd be relying on exactly the same reports you have delivered to you directly.

I really couldn't give a shit if journalists go in or not, but I'm incredulous that anyone seriously believes that amongst the daily tidal wave of reports and videos that Israel are miraculously concealing "despicable crimes".

I doubt you've ever had more information or more first hand testimony from any conflict in your life. I know I haven't.

Hmm let's think. How about the time they murdered the medics and then buried them and their ambulances and then repeatedly lied about it. Each time retracting after new evidence emerged of their lies?

I really couldn't give a shit if journalists go in or not

Sure, that's why you have spent ages defending Israel for not allowing them in.

Fox news Reporters have visited Gaza multiple times since the conflict began, under IDF protection to prevent them being threatened. Trey Yingst (Chief Foreign Correspondent) for example. He’s had to take cover during firefights. You must have missed it.

I suppose it's pretty easy to say it wouldn't be scary to go to Gaza and report negatively on Hamas. I'd shit myself personally.

This is how Hamas treats its own journalists
cpj.org/2025/05/gaza-journalists-speak-out-about-hamas-intimidation-threats-assaults/

In April Reporters Without Borders said that a Palestinian journalist working for a foreign outlet received a death threat from Hamas after posting criticism on social media. In just a few days, at least two other journalists were threatened or physically assaulted for covering anti-Hamas protests in Gaza. RSF warned this constitutes an "intimidation campaign" against the press.

A month later, The Committee to Protect Journalists reported that several Gaza-based journalists were beaten and threatened by Hamas while covering protests calling for change in the Strip.

And in the last conflict international journalists were treated the same. Financial Times’ John Reed was threatened after tweeting about rockets launched from Al‑Shifa Hospital. Multiple journalists said the same happened to them and Reuters Harry Fear was ordered to leave Gaza for similar coverage.

An unnamed French reporter was detained and interrogated by Hamas at Al‑Shifa Hospital, then expelled. He wanted to remain unnamed which I think is a testimony to the level of threat he felt.

Safety concerns and fear of retaliation—especially from groups like Hamas shoukdnt be sneered at. RSF specifically notes that one foreign-affiliated Palestinian journalist “wishes to remain anonymous” after receiving death threats for criticizing Hamas on social media. The threats were serious enough that he deleted his posts for personal safety.

So yes, I think it's pretty sensible to assume you would not be getting full information. Nothing that didn't suit them would ever be allowed to be filmed.

What is a journalist?

That's literally what I said. Israel cannot give them those things. For the exact reason you're stating, it is not theirs to give, they do not have that power.

What the actual fuck are you on about?

What hate speech?

If you see such a thing you must report the comment and I'm sure mn will delete it.

Great, so the truth came out because....

A medic caught the attack on video, showing clearly marked ambulances with flashing lights—contradicting the IDF’s initial claim that the convoy wasn’t identifiable.

Days later, a shallow mass grave was discovered nearby, containing the crushed ambulances and the bodies of 15 medics, some with their hands bound and shot at close range.

Forensic reports, survivor accounts, and investigations by NGOs revealed signs of execution and deliberate destruction.

As this evidence mounted, the IDF was forced to change its story multiple times, eventually admitting to “professional failures” and removing a commander.

So explain how there not being "international journalists" in Gaza prevented any of this information from being public?

Just as I said. It doesn't make any difference, Gazans film everything, NGOs and other bodies on the ground investigate and you get the story.

There is no information blackout.

The comment they quoted was 'Who are Hamas then?" So rather than reporting the comment for deletion, I'd rather they explain exactly why they consider that to be hate speech so we can all learn something. Unless anyone else has any ideas?

Exactly. and this is the problem. Free reporting is essential to the truth getting out and to stopping war crimes. Plenty of examples of IDF and IG lies so far in this war which is they don’t want reporters. Why though would members of the public ever think this is acceptable. Mmmm .. let me think

Fair comment. Good teaching opportunity I would have thought. Live and learn and all that.

Contrarily, I think it speaks volumes that Israel has a free press while Gaza tortures and threatens to kill journalists who report the truth about their violence to their own people, and knowinh this, you have somehow settled your brain on believing Israel is the one preventing you from getting an accurate flow of information from Gaza.

But one question I have for you and several other posters here... why come to a thread on UK antisemitism to do nothing but accuse Israel? Every other thread is for that. Why hijack this one?

It smacks of being like ripping down the hostages posters. People just can't bear there to be any space to discuss Jewish suffering so they need to tear it down. i think its disgraceful and you all owe the one Jewish poster here who shared her horrific experience a massive apology.