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Conflict in the Middle East

Gaza doctors under attack

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Nads0622 · 02/07/2025 22:21

Currently showing now on Channel 4 . A must watch for everyone. A forensic investigation into the Israeli attacks on hospitals in Gaza examining Israel’s targeting of the healthcare system and workers in Gaza

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TheLostStargazer · 02/07/2025 22:52

It’s a really difficult watch.

Nads0622 · 02/07/2025 23:00

TheLostStargazer · 02/07/2025 22:52

It’s a really difficult watch.

Heartbreaking. Listening to the testimony anonymously of an Israeli doctor who’s speaking about the horrendous mistreatment of Palestinians held without charge. He says it was common practice for Palestinians held to have procedures without anaesthetic. He talks about how he was complicit and it’s scary how he’d normalised this behaviour .
an IDF soldier also gives testimony anonymously of how he witnessed detainees being abused and raped and that this behaviour wasn’t not only tolerated but encouraged .
an absolutely heart breaking watch. The brave brave doctors who are targeted and detained to only be abused and murdered

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EverydayPuzzling · 02/07/2025 23:18

I actually don’t even know what to say. Even though I have seen so much on insta, the depths plunged get lower and lower.
Wondering what excuses will be to make this acceptable. Despicable.
When the clip of the doctor whose son was killed said “everything we have built, they have burnt” heartbreaking

Nads0622 · 02/07/2025 23:21

EverydayPuzzling · 02/07/2025 23:18

I actually don’t even know what to say. Even though I have seen so much on insta, the depths plunged get lower and lower.
Wondering what excuses will be to make this acceptable. Despicable.
When the clip of the doctor whose son was killed said “everything we have built, they have burnt” heartbreaking

just when you think it can’t get any worse . Completely in awe at the bravery of the doctors who time and time again put their lives at risk for the lives of their patients .
watching the Israeli politicians discuss whether it’s acceptable to rape Palestinians held captive beyond horrific .
only time will reveal the true horrors of what Israel has subjected the Palestinians too and one day everyone will have been against it .

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ForgeOfEmpires · 02/07/2025 23:30

I watched it, with some justified scepticism and as it's impartiality was called into question by the BBC, so given that the BBC has pretty low standards I took trouble I fact checked as I went along. There was so much demonstrable untruth and misleading information included that it sadly made it impossible to engage with any sense of faith. I have no question there is terrible hardship and suffering going on, but I feel it's sadly unlikely that we are hearing from the true victims yet.

Part of this terrible war is being fought with guns, and a larger part of it is being fought around the world with words. Hamas' greatest weapon isn't a gun, but their well-honed skill at demonising Israel whilst taking no responsibility themselves for any part in the violence and destruction, even as hostages languish in their basements.

Of course, this is very effective. It has always been. And there always has been activists in all shapes and forms looking to play out their own ideals in an imaginary battle between good and evil. But unfortunately this efficiency perpetuates a war the Palestinians can never and will never win.

I wish all of them lives of safety, prosperity and security. I wish that a time will come where their government keeps them safe, and puts this above all other things. What completely senseless loss of life.

roses110 · 02/07/2025 23:45

ForgeOfEmpires · 02/07/2025 23:30

I watched it, with some justified scepticism and as it's impartiality was called into question by the BBC, so given that the BBC has pretty low standards I took trouble I fact checked as I went along. There was so much demonstrable untruth and misleading information included that it sadly made it impossible to engage with any sense of faith. I have no question there is terrible hardship and suffering going on, but I feel it's sadly unlikely that we are hearing from the true victims yet.

Part of this terrible war is being fought with guns, and a larger part of it is being fought around the world with words. Hamas' greatest weapon isn't a gun, but their well-honed skill at demonising Israel whilst taking no responsibility themselves for any part in the violence and destruction, even as hostages languish in their basements.

Of course, this is very effective. It has always been. And there always has been activists in all shapes and forms looking to play out their own ideals in an imaginary battle between good and evil. But unfortunately this efficiency perpetuates a war the Palestinians can never and will never win.

I wish all of them lives of safety, prosperity and security. I wish that a time will come where their government keeps them safe, and puts this above all other things. What completely senseless loss of life.

Please feel free to provide evidence of all this 'demonstrable untruth and misleading information' rather than just making sweeping statements.

I watched the documentary and was horrified at the actions of the Israelis. As a healthcare worker myself in the UK, I find it shocking and sad how the palestinian healthcare workers have been treated.

I'm impressed at channel 4 though for making a stand and showing the documentary and disappointed the bbc fell under zionist pressure to try and prevent this being shown.

EverydayPuzzling · 02/07/2025 23:47

Demonstrable untruth?? Misleading information??

what about what it was?
do you think these medical professionals were making this shit up?? What have they got to gain?
why would anyone admit to having their teeth cleaned with a toilet brush? And that’s one example?

wow

TheLostStargazer · 02/07/2025 23:56

@EverydayPuzzlingthose words from the dr were truly heartbreaking. I didn’t want to watch it but they all deserve to be heard.

DrPrunesqualer · 03/07/2025 02:22

ForgeOfEmpires · 02/07/2025 23:30

I watched it, with some justified scepticism and as it's impartiality was called into question by the BBC, so given that the BBC has pretty low standards I took trouble I fact checked as I went along. There was so much demonstrable untruth and misleading information included that it sadly made it impossible to engage with any sense of faith. I have no question there is terrible hardship and suffering going on, but I feel it's sadly unlikely that we are hearing from the true victims yet.

Part of this terrible war is being fought with guns, and a larger part of it is being fought around the world with words. Hamas' greatest weapon isn't a gun, but their well-honed skill at demonising Israel whilst taking no responsibility themselves for any part in the violence and destruction, even as hostages languish in their basements.

Of course, this is very effective. It has always been. And there always has been activists in all shapes and forms looking to play out their own ideals in an imaginary battle between good and evil. But unfortunately this efficiency perpetuates a war the Palestinians can never and will never win.

I wish all of them lives of safety, prosperity and security. I wish that a time will come where their government keeps them safe, and puts this above all other things. What completely senseless loss of life.

and there we have it ! In the face of all the horror still we hear
of course
denial with nothing to substantiate

Believe what you will but one day the Israeli Government and the IDF will be held to account for the horrors they are committing,
Lets hope they and their followers feel the shame they rightly should.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 03/07/2025 04:55

I have come to expect nothing from Israel except abject denial.

samlett · 03/07/2025 10:22

It was heartbreaking and truthful and that Guardian review has it spot on. Only the very dregs of humanity, as seen on this thread, will deny it.

Nads0622 · 03/07/2025 11:37

samlett · 03/07/2025 10:22

It was heartbreaking and truthful and that Guardian review has it spot on. Only the very dregs of humanity, as seen on this thread, will deny it.

💯. It’s all to easy for Israel to deny everything as they always do or claim that everyone including the babies are Hamas ! Disgusting !
the fact that they can sit and discuss whether it’s acceptable to rape a Palestinian detainee is beyond twisted

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Madcatdudette · 03/07/2025 11:51

DrPrunesqualer · 03/07/2025 02:22

and there we have it ! In the face of all the horror still we hear
of course
denial with nothing to substantiate

Believe what you will but one day the Israeli Government and the IDF will be held to account for the horrors they are committing,
Lets hope they and their followers feel the shame they rightly should.

And there we have it. Always have someone who can’t stand to hear a differing viewpoint.
I suppose you agree with Brent becoming twinned with Palestine too? Let’s not worry about how local Jewish groups feel 🤷‍♀️

Nads0622 · 03/07/2025 12:05

Madcatdudette · 03/07/2025 11:51

And there we have it. Always have someone who can’t stand to hear a differing viewpoint.
I suppose you agree with Brent becoming twinned with Palestine too? Let’s not worry about how local Jewish groups feel 🤷‍♀️

And here lies the problem . We’re talking about the systematic targeting of Gazas hospitals to break down the health system. Health workers being tortured , raped and murdered and you’re equating that to someone’s feelings being hurt. Could you dehumanise the Palestinians any more 🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️
this thread is about the doctors in Gaza being targeted and killed by Israel. If you want to start a thread about someone’s feelings being hurt feel free to but pls don’t embarrass yourself by posting about it in here as you’re not doing yourself any favours 🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️

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Madcatdudette · 03/07/2025 12:13

Nads0622 · 03/07/2025 12:05

And here lies the problem . We’re talking about the systematic targeting of Gazas hospitals to break down the health system. Health workers being tortured , raped and murdered and you’re equating that to someone’s feelings being hurt. Could you dehumanise the Palestinians any more 🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️
this thread is about the doctors in Gaza being targeted and killed by Israel. If you want to start a thread about someone’s feelings being hurt feel free to but pls don’t embarrass yourself by posting about it in here as you’re not doing yourself any favours 🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️

This thread is regarding a channel 4 documentary. I don’t have to start any other thread.
Hurt feelings? What are you going on about?
People who support Israel have a right to post here to.
It’s not We love Palestine board

Drew79 · 03/07/2025 12:16

Why is it a must watch for everyone? Why should I watch it and be stressed and sad about something I have no control over, in a foreign country?

Finteq · 03/07/2025 12:23

Madcatdudette · 03/07/2025 12:13

This thread is regarding a channel 4 documentary. I don’t have to start any other thread.
Hurt feelings? What are you going on about?
People who support Israel have a right to post here to.
It’s not We love Palestine board

Agreed this thread is to discuss the documentary and you're welcome to do that.

But your original post was about a different topic. And if you want to discuss a town twinning with Palestine it would be better to start your own thread.

Obviously you are welcome to discuss the documentary in this thread.

Madcatdudette · 03/07/2025 12:56

Finteq · 03/07/2025 12:23

Agreed this thread is to discuss the documentary and you're welcome to do that.

But your original post was about a different topic. And if you want to discuss a town twinning with Palestine it would be better to start your own thread.

Obviously you are welcome to discuss the documentary in this thread.

Nope. You’re free to ignore me and any questions I pose.

veiledsentiments · 03/07/2025 13:15

Madcatdudette · 03/07/2025 11:51

And there we have it. Always have someone who can’t stand to hear a differing viewpoint.
I suppose you agree with Brent becoming twinned with Palestine too? Let’s not worry about how local Jewish groups feel 🤷‍♀️

People would maybe be willing to look at your “different” point of view if you had the facts to back it up. And yet…….?

Nads0622 · 03/07/2025 13:29

Drew79 · 03/07/2025 12:16

Why is it a must watch for everyone? Why should I watch it and be stressed and sad about something I have no control over, in a foreign country?

I’ve posted in a section of mumsnet titled conflict in the Middle East. If you’re not interested in what’s happening in foreign countries why on earth are you reading the posts in this section and commenting on them

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EverydayPuzzling · 03/07/2025 13:33

Madcatdudette · 03/07/2025 12:13

This thread is regarding a channel 4 documentary. I don’t have to start any other thread.
Hurt feelings? What are you going on about?
People who support Israel have a right to post here to.
It’s not We love Palestine board

Sorry, you still haven’t laid out any examples of “demonstrable untruths” and/or “misleading information” and then you mention a council twinning with a town in Palestine?
Apologies, I’m not sure how they are linked.

Madcatdudette · 03/07/2025 14:38

EverydayPuzzling · 03/07/2025 13:33

Sorry, you still haven’t laid out any examples of “demonstrable untruths” and/or “misleading information” and then you mention a council twinning with a town in Palestine?
Apologies, I’m not sure how they are linked.

It didn’t demonstrate genocide either but you are still convinced the ‘ethnic cleansing’ is a one way street

samlett · 03/07/2025 14:39

Why are we talking about healthcare workers being detained, tortured and sexually abused and hospital infrastructure destroyed and patients and children left to die? Let's focus on the real issue, which is the hurty feelings of people in the war zone of Brent. Come on, they'll have to look at a whole sign with the word Palestine on it. Have a heart.

samlett · 03/07/2025 14:44

Drew79 · 03/07/2025 12:16

Why is it a must watch for everyone? Why should I watch it and be stressed and sad about something I have no control over, in a foreign country?

I guess the poster should have qualified it by saying it's a must watch for anyone who takes a healthy interest in the world in general and thinks that knowledge is important.