Yikes, Israel might have just attacked Iran!

[SomeWomanSomewhere]

This is NOT GOOD news!

Israel has declared a state of emergency, at least six explosions in Tehran.

This is seriously unfunny!

Israel has ZERO strategic depth - Iran has plenty. Nukes: see above, reverse!

What Sualipa said.

Additionally there was a religious Fatwa issued by the Ayatollah against Iran building a nuclear weapon due to the level of destruction that they've caused.

However due to the recent developments in the region there has been intense discussion in Iran on issuing a new Fatwa to allow nukes.

It's a question of whether you want to end up like Gaddafi or "protected" like Kim Jong and his nukes.

Remember when they told us Saddam Hussein could strike London in 45 minutes with weapons of mass destruction ! They got that off an Iraqi taxi driver apparently. Treat with great suspicion what lines will be pushed to us over the next few days.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/dec/08/45-minutes-wmd-taxi-driver

If countries could be cartoon figures I know who Israel would choose.

Who's never wrong but always right?
Who'd never ever dream of starting a fight?
Who gets stuck with all the rotten luck?
No one but Donald Duck!

I'm sure we are not long away from those with nukes selling them to those that don't. If DPRK says gets 100 what's to stop them selling one or two and that's where this calculus with Iran breaks down. Netanhayu wants regime change along with many other countries in the region and globally and given the neurtering of their 'tormentors" Hamas and Hezbollah there has never been a better time for Isarel to attempt that and I would hazard a guess that's the real reason for this attack - not that they are immenently about to get nukes.

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The countries surrounding are not exactly fluffy bunnies. They have their own aims and clearly act on them.

They lie and they lie and they lie.....2012 - remember then it was great we had the Olympics - but those pesky Iranians were just months away from a bomb.

Trump owning it, OPEC rubbing their hands with glee as oil prices rise. Manufacturers and importers not so happy as costs rise.

Like I said watch the markets.

MAGA is split on this—'America First' means just that. While some support remains, the peak of global backing for Israel is long gone, and it’s hard to imagine that level of support ever returning. There’s a lot of Western rhetoric suggesting that Israel is increasingly on its own. Some of it is political posturing for public consumption, but even so, symbolic gestures like solidarity visits and vocal backing are probably a thing of the past. Regime change has long been part of Israel’s schtick- and regime change is their bag and now they own it. I can't see the CIA this time fomenting hostile forces within Iran - Trump has effectively neutered that.

Oh yeah, I've been tracking MAGA since Trump was sworn in and whoah have they been "radicalised". Though many have legitimate grievances with endless wars, from a former soldier:

I am officially pissed the fuck off.

As a twice deployed combat Veteran and Purple Heart recipient I am sick and tired of warmongering assholes like Lindsey Graham just itching for war.

The suit-and tie-politicians that don’t have the balls to join the military and make incendiary claims are the worst of the worst.

Strap your boots on Lindsey Graham if you love Israel or Ukraine so much. But you won’t. None of you, nor your families have to suffer the consequences of your words or actions.

We are not sacrificing any more of our women and men for this type of rhetoric.

I'm sure that like every regime change operation in the region over the last 80 years, this will end wonderfully. The Taliban, ISIS Al Qaeda and the Ayatollah were the ultimate result of the 1953 coup in Iran. Someone's going to be making a lot of money.

Good analysis on BBC, makes sense.

Israel has taken a huge gamble with what it is calling Operation Rising Lion. Its argument runs that it had no choice, that Iran was already accelerating its work towards building a nuclear bomb and that this was its best and possibly last chance to prevent that from happening.
But the counter-argument is more pertinent today than ever before. And that is that when the dust settles from this latest Iran-Israel exchange of fire enough of Iran’s leadership will survive to now race for the bomb.
Hawks in Iran’s security establishment have long argued that not only is it Iran’s national right to have this weapon but that this would be the best deterrent against future attack.
They will have taken careful note of the different paths taken by Libya and North Korea. Libya’s Colonel Gaddafi gave up his Weapons of Mass Destruction programme in 2003 and eight years later he was dead in a ditch, overthrown by the Arab Spring protests, backed by Western air power.
By contrast, Kim Jong-Un’s regime in North Korea has defied Western sanctions and managed to build up a formidable arsenal of nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles. Nobody is in a hurry to attack North Korea.

This attack will only prove to Iran why it needs this weapon.

It's as though an Iranian terrorist attack in London wasn't recently foiled. The inability to see the bigger picture never changes on CITME. Iran is a threat to not just Israel.

Not to be facetious but what time was it in Iran / Israel at the time of the offensive? The reports are confusing.

Is this Israel's declaration of war on Iran?

Iran has no good options now - the least worst is to avoid attacking US interests if they want to survive. However mad the mullahs are and they are fairly bonkers they would be well advised to follow that counsel. I find it fairly reassuring there hasn't been a queue of western leaders scambling to show support for Israel and if that holds then I can't see this war spiralling out of control.

https://unherd.com/2025/06/netanyahus-attack-on-us-diplomacy/

Not only has Israel sabotaged US efforts at diplomacy, but these actions are endangering American lives in the hopes that the US will be forced to retaliate against Iran. That is, Netanyahu is hoping that an escalation will drag America into the fray to force America into a regional conflagration just when a bipartisan consensus has emerged in favor of redeployment away from the Middle East toward more strategically pertinent areas like the Pacific.

In response, American leaders need to take control of the situation as quickly as possible, and to do so they must condemn Israel’s aggression, thus putting distance between Washington and what took place on Friday.

Allowing Israel to continue down this path without clear rebuke not only risks another forever war in the Middle East with an unthinkable cost in human life. It will, additionally, turn America into a laughing stock on the international stage. While some internet commentators have hypothesized that the United States covertly supports this attack, that would be an terrible strategic miscalculation: either Netanyahu has made America look the fool and is trying to strong-arm Trump into supporting a war that is against America’s interests, or Trump has supported Netanyahu’s actions for the same reputational cost.

Without condemning Israel’s actions, Trump is sending a clear message: he doesn’t make American policy, Benjamin Netanyahu does.

Yes MI5 talked of this threat recently. This aspect seems to be overlooked on mn.

I think the question is whether this action decreases that risk or escalates it.

Laughably, elsewhere on MN, a poster advised us that Israel is coming for the UK next. I just shake my head at times.

Where is the queue of world leaders congratulating Israel on this escalation?

You’d think there would be right? If it was genuinely a good idea for the world?

Aren’t we training IDF soldiers here ? Why would they be after us !!

Moral panic frequently follows Israel.

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I’m often reading on X, often from Israeli supporters, that ‘London has fallen,’ usually followed by some toxic commentary on Sir Sadiq - so who knows what to make of it!

Fine to ask this question. A discussion seems sensible, I don’t know the answer. I suspect it’d take extra insight.

Some of these posts, the ‘pesky Iranian’ one for example. There’s a reason MI5 includes Iran in top three on threat.