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Conflict in the Middle East

Yikes, Israel might have just attacked Iran!

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SomeWomanSomewhere · 13/06/2025 01:17

This is NOT GOOD news!

Israel has declared a state of emergency, at least six explosions in Tehran.

This is seriously unfunny!

Israel has ZERO strategic depth - Iran has plenty. Nukes: see above, reverse!

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devourfeculence · 14/06/2025 20:07

DrPrunesqualer · 14/06/2025 19:23

Thanks for this but can you verify how you verify through @Grok
Do you literally
tag a post
and type @Grok is this true and an answer appears ?

Secondly
Is their any reason to be concerned this is AI developed by Elon Musk. ie can we be sure it’s unbiased and not manipulated

Of course there is reason to be concerned.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/elon-musk-x-grok-white-genocide-holocaust-1235341267/

I can't believe people are actually using Grok to get "factual" information.

WASHINGTON, DC - APRIL 30: Elon Musk attends a Cabinet meeting with President Donald Trump on Wednesday April 30, 2025 at the White House in Washington, DC. (Photo by Yuri Gripas for The Washington Post via Getty Images)

Grok Pivots From 'White Genocide' to Being 'Skeptical' About the Holocaust

Elon Musk's Grok chatbot from xAI is no longer posting about the myth of 'white genocide' in South Africa but has dabbled in Holocaust denial.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/elon-musk-x-grok-white-genocide-holocaust-1235341267/

sualipa · 14/06/2025 20:07

Happy Birthday - at last he has spoken !

Yikes, Israel might have just attacked Iran!
sualipa · 14/06/2025 20:17

devourfeculence · 14/06/2025 20:07

Of course there is reason to be concerned.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/elon-musk-x-grok-white-genocide-holocaust-1235341267/

I can't believe people are actually using Grok to get "factual" information.

I like to think of myself as well-informed. I read a wide range of broadsheets voraciously, have a good memory, and, during my career, worked in high-level policy roles alongside highly intellectual colleagues often Oxbridge first-class graduates. All of this took place in the pre-AI era.

As such, I use AI cautiously as a complement to more traditional forms of research where I find it very useful. That said, it’s not infallible. Just the other day, it incorrectly told me that Israel had been involved in the assassination of PC Yvonne Fletcher. When I challenged it, it apologised and corrected itself.

For younger generations who haven’t experienced that rich intellectual ecosystem, I do have some serious reservations and concerns.

1dayatatime · 14/06/2025 20:22

@DrPrunesqualer

"If they support Israel in a military way then they have chosen to engage themselves in the war between Israel and Iran and decided to side with Israel against Iran.
That is how wars work. "

Nope - that's not how wars work.

The EU, the UK and the US have chosen to provide military aid to Ukraine in their war against Russia and decided to side with Ukraine against Russia.

But Russia has not launched any military action against the EU, UK or the US.

Similar arguments could be made for Russian support to Vietnam in their war against the US etc etc.

1dayatatime · 14/06/2025 20:24

@MusedeBordeaux

"I suspect the south of Lebanon and southern Syria will be part of the land deal that halts this current escalation."

Have got a credible link to back this or is it simply yet another batshit crazy conspiracy theory?

ArtTheClown · 14/06/2025 20:26

Yes, I work in this stuff. My next paper will be published in a reputable juornal next month.

I work loosely in this field as well. I completely agree - LLMs are remarkable in any ways, but they're absolutely not 100% reliable or the oracle of any truths. I mean Claude has a specific disclaimer.

ArtTheClown · 14/06/2025 20:29

List of senior military officials and scientists now killed is growing swiftly. Also rumours of senior political figures flying out of the country.

sualipa · 14/06/2025 20:31

1dayatatime · 14/06/2025 20:22

@DrPrunesqualer

"If they support Israel in a military way then they have chosen to engage themselves in the war between Israel and Iran and decided to side with Israel against Iran.
That is how wars work. "

Nope - that's not how wars work.

The EU, the UK and the US have chosen to provide military aid to Ukraine in their war against Russia and decided to side with Ukraine against Russia.

But Russia has not launched any military action against the EU, UK or the US.

Similar arguments could be made for Russian support to Vietnam in their war against the US etc etc.

Harold Wilson wisely kept the UK out of the Vietnam War, a decision that reflected both political pragmatism and public sentiment at the time. Despite his loyalty to Britain, he was dogged for years by unfounded allegations of being a KGB agent rumours that were never substantiated and have since been widely discredited. This decision likely saved the equivalent of tens of billions of pounds in today’s money. I remember those times well, even though I was a sallow youth!

quantumbutterfly · 14/06/2025 20:33

ArtTheClown · 14/06/2025 20:29

List of senior military officials and scientists now killed is growing swiftly. Also rumours of senior political figures flying out of the country.

Where to I wonder. Maybe they'll get together with Assad in Russia. Not my idea of a fantasy dinner party though.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 14/06/2025 20:34

I don't understand why pps defend the indefensible.
From any side Hamas, Israel, Iran.
Although the Irish faced horrendous discrimination and bloodshed. I couldn't justify the actions of the IRA bombing innocent people.
Can we not agree that the bloodshed needs to stop.
I'm sure that the citizens of Israel are terrified just as the Palestinian and Iranian people are terrified tonight.
Big men, big balls, don't care about the citizens or hostages.

1dayatatime · 14/06/2025 20:46

@sualipa

"Harold Wilson wisely kept the UK out of the Vietnam War, a decision that reflected both political pragmatism and public sentiment at the time."

Wilson kept the UK out of the Vietnam war for several reasons:

  1. British involvement in the Vietnam war was massively unpopular with 80% of the public against it.
  2. Economically the UK was verging on bankruptcy and couldn't afford it anyway.
  3. The UK military was already over committed in a war against communist rebels in Malaya and then communist rebels in Aden plus the start of the troubles in N Ireland. So militarily they were unable to assist the US in Vietnam.

But the UK did provide military intelligence support to the US from HK as well as supplying napalm and ammunition to the US.

bigredbusbigredbus · 14/06/2025 21:01

Nowayyousure · 14/06/2025 18:52

"On Nov 2, 2024, the world witnessed the protest of a young student on the grounds of Tehran's Azad University, Iran. This young woman was reportedly harassed by the university's morality guards (paramilitary members of the Basij ([paramilitary volunteer militia within the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps]) for improper wearing of the headscarf. In response, as seen in various privately captured videos shared online1 and in a statement from Nobel laureate Narges Mohammadi,2 the student removed some of her clothing in protest. She was seen sitting silently on a wall or pacing back and forth in apparent anger. She did not chant slogans, but instead can be seen as staging what could be seen as a silent protest against her harassment over the hijab imposed by the morality guards.
According to reports from various media outlets, including Reuters,3 she was subsequently committed against her will to a psychiatric clinic, allegedly due to mental illness. However, the ICD contains no psychiatric diagnosis related to whether someone wears a hijab or not. This event must be seen as the latest, but not the first, in a series of violations that have been criticised internationally (eg, by Amnesty International) and by Iranian psychiatrists in a recent letter. Such involuntary hospitalisation brings to mind Soviet and East-German Stasi practices of committing political dissidents to psychiatric institutions for so-called treatment, often with invented diagnostic labels such as sluggish schizophrenia"

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366%2824%2900409-7/fulltext

Let's not pretend it's hunky dory there for women. Some might get away with less coverage, whilst others get detained, raped, punished, sectioned for mental illness. That's a risk not to be minimised.

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I think that the point being made is that there are human rights abuses in every country, and that if Israel/Iran/NATO escalates women everywhere as well as children and men will be in a worse position and that in relation to the issue you specifically raise, it will not be helped by military action by Israel by any stretch of the imagination. Military action is not the answer.

PaxAeterna · 14/06/2025 21:02

devourfeculence · 14/06/2025 20:07

Of course there is reason to be concerned.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/elon-musk-x-grok-white-genocide-holocaust-1235341267/

I can't believe people are actually using Grok to get "factual" information.

Absolutely. And X has the more anti semitism than any other social media channel. Musk is promoting hate and racism. It’s no surprise his creation would throw up some questionable information.

bigredbusbigredbus · 14/06/2025 21:04

1dayatatime · 14/06/2025 20:46

@sualipa

"Harold Wilson wisely kept the UK out of the Vietnam War, a decision that reflected both political pragmatism and public sentiment at the time."

Wilson kept the UK out of the Vietnam war for several reasons:

  1. British involvement in the Vietnam war was massively unpopular with 80% of the public against it.
  2. Economically the UK was verging on bankruptcy and couldn't afford it anyway.
  3. The UK military was already over committed in a war against communist rebels in Malaya and then communist rebels in Aden plus the start of the troubles in N Ireland. So militarily they were unable to assist the US in Vietnam.

But the UK did provide military intelligence support to the US from HK as well as supplying napalm and ammunition to the US.

I hope that we reach a point where 80 percent of our nation leads us out of darkness again, now.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 14/06/2025 21:05

It was in a good cause lol x

Honestly the weird worship of AI from some on here is probably... generated by AI. I can see it's uses, for sure, but when you know what you're looking at, and often we don't.

Just now, I hopped on Facebook just to check my town hasn't had another stabbing / nobody's died / etc and reported two AI videos "claiming" to be last moments of the Air India flight with alleged shots from inside the aircraft. Obviously face but also utterly distasteful and unnecessary. Ugh.

bigredbusbigredbus · 14/06/2025 21:06

ArtTheClown · 14/06/2025 20:29

List of senior military officials and scientists now killed is growing swiftly. Also rumours of senior political figures flying out of the country.

Can you share your sources?

bigredbusbigredbus · 14/06/2025 21:09

sualipa · 14/06/2025 20:07

Happy Birthday - at last he has spoken !

Thanks for sharing the tweet.

ArtTheClown · 14/06/2025 21:14

Can you share your sources?

Just from browsing X - should probably have said allegedly.

Disclaimer - before anyone starts having a go about sources, proof etc, I'm posting snippets for interest.

Whatsinanamehey · 14/06/2025 21:19

Missiles launched from Iran again right now.

sualipa · 14/06/2025 21:19

I think Netanyahu wants to position himself as the leader confronting the so-called “Axis of Evil,” admittedly motivated by naked self-interest. This opportunistic alliance now crystallising around Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea is united by shared strategic goals. By provoking Iran first, Netanyahu aims to send a warning shot across the bows of Russia and China on behalf of his larger allies. Rather than framing this solely as the defence of Israel, it’s an effort to forge a broader coalition against these powers.

The problem is that the US is increasingly turning inward, Western economies are struggling with serious structural and economic challenges, and the ongoing humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza makes it difficult to portray this as an honourable endeavour. If Iran is wounded but not destroyed as a polity, it will likely focus on consolidating power domestically rather than posing an immediate threat to Israel. China its largest market for hydrocarbons will probably aid in its reconstruction, while Iran will likely intensify its efforts to develop a nuclear bomb, potentially with assistance from Russia and North Korea.

Whatsinanamehey · 14/06/2025 21:20

Whatsinanamehey · 14/06/2025 21:19

Missiles launched from Iran again right now.

I'm wondering if the UK will be involved in shooting them down tonight.

sualipa · 14/06/2025 21:26

Whatsinanamehey · 14/06/2025 21:20

I'm wondering if the UK will be involved in shooting them down tonight.

It's Haifa Port www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/footage-shows-iranian-missile-attack-on-haifa-no-immediate-reports-of-injuries/

Jujujudo · 14/06/2025 21:26

EmeraldShamrock000 · 14/06/2025 20:34

I don't understand why pps defend the indefensible.
From any side Hamas, Israel, Iran.
Although the Irish faced horrendous discrimination and bloodshed. I couldn't justify the actions of the IRA bombing innocent people.
Can we not agree that the bloodshed needs to stop.
I'm sure that the citizens of Israel are terrified just as the Palestinian and Iranian people are terrified tonight.
Big men, big balls, don't care about the citizens or hostages.

I am lying beside my children in a bomb shelter in Tel Aviv after receiving warnings of imminent missile attacks. Thank you for being literally the only person I’ve seen on this cesspit of a forum to consider the innocent civilians in Israel as human beings.

sualipa · 14/06/2025 21:33

https://xcancel.com/tobiaschneider/status/1933923314306609534#m

Some impression based on my conversations with a number of old friends and acquaintances in Tehran, Mashhad, Kashan, Isfahan, Qom over the last two days: On the moderate-to-opposition side of the spectrum, nobody is shedding a tear for the regime figures targeted. One old acquaintance who was involved in protests that ended in a horrid massacre in 2023 only expressed frustration that they wouldn't get to string the guys up themselves. What anger there is over innocent lives lost is mainly directed at the regime itself. One of my friends from Tehran shared a meme about how the blown-out apartments were mostly penthouses in fancy high-rises. The strikes are not seen as particularly indiscriminate, though one contact asked why they couldn't just blow them up at their offices instead? Another sheepishly suggested it might wake some middle-class people to the situation the country is in, but when pressed, was unsure which way most normal residents would swing. Most of my old networks are in Tehran's art scene, which despises the regime but isn't overly politicized on a day-to-day basis. They seem to see it primarily as symptomatic of the pointless wars through which the regime has squandered the country's wealth and reputation, coming home to roost. One is an avid Iranian nationalist, angry that the Pasdaran had spent decades gobbling up the country's resources -- and for what?! The same (older) acquaintance worried that Israel would try to use minorities to fracture the country (unity being the one positive he attributed to the IRI). Among the moderates-conservatives, there was a lot of uncertainty about the future of the regime. One expressed worries about the character of the upcoming generation of Pasdaran leaders, in particular. In general, the total failure of the country's security services over the last 18 months is seen as symptomatic of a deep-seated rot, widespread tacit disloyalties, and petty corruption, among other issues. None seemed very worried about a major war - civil or foreign - but pondered whether the IRI would be able to rebuild its domestic legitimacy needed to keep the show on the road. All agreed that the military enterprises in Palestine, Lebanon, and Syria were wasted, only drawing unneeded ire. Instead, one suggested Pasdaran should focus on Iraq and Afghanistan, leaving the rest to the diplomats. Nobody I have talked to on either end of the spectrum cared about the nuclear talks at all, which are seen as pointless theater ("if they wanted to solve it they just would"). My one genuinely zealous Hezbollah source in Qom expressed mostly anger that the military leadership had allowed the resistance to get picked off one by one. Everything had gone downhill since the killing of Soleimani and Muhandis. He thought the services needed a purge and that the regime should take the fight to the Americans.

(This is not a representative sample, just a bunch of people I have loosely kept in touch with over the years. My last personal visit was in 2016 after which entering the country got too dangerous. Almost all are well-educated urbanites of one stripe or another. Mixed religiosity. No regime insiders or hardcore underground oppositionists cited here. Thought it would be interesting.)

EmeraldShamrock000 · 14/06/2025 21:33

Jujujudo · 14/06/2025 21:26

I am lying beside my children in a bomb shelter in Tel Aviv after receiving warnings of imminent missile attacks. Thank you for being literally the only person I’ve seen on this cesspit of a forum to consider the innocent civilians in Israel as human beings.

I can't imagine how terrifying that is, I am so sorry that you and other innocent civilians are in this situation. 😢
My thoughts are with you all. 🥰

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