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Conflict in the Middle East

Inhumane Israeli - US backed GHF aid system.

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Whatsinanamehey · 12/06/2025 09:41

To continue the discussion on this new aid system which has led to countless Palestinian deaths and injuries and labelled 'inhumane' by the UK government.

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BigALittleABouncingB · 12/06/2025 22:13

usefulidiot39 · 12/06/2025 22:11

A 5 year truce is 5 years of no fighting. It's a good start. Certainly preferable to the situation today.

A 5-year truce is 5 years for Hamas to regroup, rebuild, and rearm. That's not a long-term solution for the region.

usefulidiot39 · 12/06/2025 22:17

BigALittleABouncingB · 12/06/2025 22:13

A 5-year truce is 5 years for Hamas to regroup, rebuild, and rearm. That's not a long-term solution for the region.

Of course they won't, they'll be under strict scrutiny, as will be Israel.

SharonEllis · 12/06/2025 22:19

usefulidiot39 · 12/06/2025 22:11

A 5 year truce is 5 years of no fighting. It's a good start. Certainly preferable to the situation today.

It wasnt an unconditional truce though was it? In exchange for releasing all Hamas prisoners, including convicted terrorists? Noone in their right mind would agree to that because there is no way Hamas would have honoured it.

BigALittleABouncingB · 12/06/2025 22:22

usefulidiot39 · 12/06/2025 22:17

Of course they won't, they'll be under strict scrutiny, as will be Israel.

That didn't stop Hamas arming itself and digging in under Gaza for over the last couple of decades, it's why it's so difficult to get building supplies; they're repurposed for tunnel and weapon building.

What do you think has changed?

usefulidiot39 · 12/06/2025 22:25

They dug the tunnels in Gaza because they knew that if Israel wanted to attack, the tunnels were the best way to defend themselves. Same with Hezbollah, tunnels and caves. Those tunnels were to help fight a defensive war. Viet Cong did it.

BigALittleABouncingB · 12/06/2025 22:31

usefulidiot39 · 12/06/2025 22:25

They dug the tunnels in Gaza because they knew that if Israel wanted to attack, the tunnels were the best way to defend themselves. Same with Hezbollah, tunnels and caves. Those tunnels were to help fight a defensive war. Viet Cong did it.

That's obvious: Hamas built tunnels to defend Hamas, not the Palestinian people, Hamas.

SharonEllis · 12/06/2025 22:31

usefulidiot39 · 12/06/2025 22:25

They dug the tunnels in Gaza because they knew that if Israel wanted to attack, the tunnels were the best way to defend themselves. Same with Hezbollah, tunnels and caves. Those tunnels were to help fight a defensive war. Viet Cong did it.

Not the only reason they dug tunnels. Hamas's intent has NEVER been purely defensive. They dug tunnels to facilitate smuggling ftom which they gain a huge amount of wealth; to smuggle weapons in undetected by Israel; to conceal command centres and hide weapons; to launch offensive attacks and provde a network of tunnels to hide hostages.

usefulidiot39 · 12/06/2025 22:57

SharonEllis · 12/06/2025 22:31

Not the only reason they dug tunnels. Hamas's intent has NEVER been purely defensive. They dug tunnels to facilitate smuggling ftom which they gain a huge amount of wealth; to smuggle weapons in undetected by Israel; to conceal command centres and hide weapons; to launch offensive attacks and provde a network of tunnels to hide hostages.

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Indeed, they were useful in so many ways.

SharonEllis · 13/06/2025 05:14

usefulidiot39 · 12/06/2025 22:17

Of course they won't, they'll be under strict scrutiny, as will be Israel.

From who? Who guarantees that all those released terrorists dont regroup and rearm and attack again?

dairydebris · 13/06/2025 07:37

usefulidiot39 · 12/06/2025 22:25

They dug the tunnels in Gaza because they knew that if Israel wanted to attack, the tunnels were the best way to defend themselves. Same with Hezbollah, tunnels and caves. Those tunnels were to help fight a defensive war. Viet Cong did it.

Gobsmacked.
If Israel wanted to attack?

To defend themselves from the attack that never would have come had they not attacked first?

They built those tunnels so they could more safely attack, while their civilians died above.

Defence would have been building a successful economy and negotiating for a state of their own peacefully.

The revisionism is alive and well on here.

Whatsinanamehey · 13/06/2025 08:41

dairydebris · 13/06/2025 07:37

Gobsmacked.
If Israel wanted to attack?

To defend themselves from the attack that never would have come had they not attacked first?

They built those tunnels so they could more safely attack, while their civilians died above.

Defence would have been building a successful economy and negotiating for a state of their own peacefully.

The revisionism is alive and well on here.

Israel have been attacking Gaza long before the ceasefire Oct 7th. It's revisionism to pretend they were not.

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ssd · 13/06/2025 08:49

usefulidiot39 · 12/06/2025 22:17

Of course they won't, they'll be under strict scrutiny, as will be Israel.

Israel under strict scrutiny??
That doesn't seem to bother them at all, they seem imperious to the world's opinion, including Trumps.
This genocide has opened up what Israel does to the Palestinians and many people are learning it started well before oct 7. Israel is looking increasingly toxic and their right wing government has done them absolutely no favours. Hamas are terrorists we know that, now we know Netanyahu and his cronies are diabolical. And that's being polite.

Whatsinanamehey · 14/06/2025 14:41

An American security contractor who worked with the GHF has now quit after he saw what a disaster and cruel it was.

He says, they were given lethal and non lethal weapons to use but little to no training on how and when to use them.

He also states how much of the food they hand out needs water to cook it but they don't hand out clean water with the packs and is scarce to find in Gaza now. The previous UN kitchens used to hand out alot of cooked food.

Ending with “I went into this pretty open-minded. I don’t have a side. I despise human suffering, and I hate that it exists. I was just hoping to be helpful. But I don’t think we are. What we — these American companies and contract personnel — are doing is directly leading to more pain, suffering, and death for the Palestinians in Gaza,”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/us-security-contractor-writes-anonymous-op-ed-decrying-gaza-humanitarian-foundation/

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Martymcfly24 · 14/06/2025 15:02

That was what I couldn't understand about the idea behind the food packs. They would be ideal if the population were still housed but to a displaced population without clean water and cooking facilities it's ridiculous.

And now that they have no Internet there is no information able to be disseminated about open sites and open times so it's another disaster.

MushMonster · 14/06/2025 16:05

You really cannot make up the majority of shit happening in this conflict. It defies all sorts of logic and minimum dignity. It is, in fact, inhumane. That is the best way to describe it.
I am quite puzzled that UK has described it as so, officially. And really wondering what is going to happen next. If anything is going to ease and the multiple wars end. Or this is going to keep on for another 80 years.

Martymcfly24 · 14/06/2025 17:48

Agree @MushMonster . What I really fear is that we don't even know the full extent of the horror. No independent international journalists and now no Internet and we are not allowed to take Hamas's word as truth .

Carte Blanche has been handed to the IDF to do what they want.

Twiglets1 · 14/06/2025 18:01

IDF says documents show Hamas has been confiscating aid as a matter of policy

Internal Hamas documents show the group has been “systematically exploiting” the entry of humanitarian aid into Gaza throughout the ongoing war in order to fund its terror activities, the Israel Defense Forces said on Thursday, citing captured papers.

The military said the group has done so by confiscating the aid itself; then giving some of it to fighters and selling some to civilians at exorbitant prices; by smuggling forbidden products such as cigarettes into the Strip and selling them at great cost; by demanding protection payments from Gazans living in areas under the group’s effective governing control; and through informal banking transfers, in coordination with Hamas representatives in Turkey.

The IDF released a document Thursday it said was drawn up by Hamas, indicating that the group has maintained a policy of confiscating 15%-25% of aid entering Gaza during the war in order to finance its operations and pay operatives.

“In the past Al Qassam [the Hamas military wing] took 25% of the aid that arrived,” according to the document. “It has been agreed with the brothers in Al Qassam that the percentages will be changed as such: 7% to Qassam, 4% to government entities, 4% to elements of the [Hamas] movement.”

The IDF said the document was part of a “wide range of intelligence information” that had been analyzed.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-says-documents-show-hamas-has-been-confiscating-aid-as-a-matter-of-policy/

PaxAeterna · 14/06/2025 19:16

I don’t think it matters whether or not Hamas has taken aid. You can’t withhold and this trickle will not be enough

Twiglets1 · 14/06/2025 19:26

PaxAeterna · 14/06/2025 19:16

I don’t think it matters whether or not Hamas has taken aid. You can’t withhold and this trickle will not be enough

It doesn't matter whether or not Hamas has taken aid?

Oh yes, totally irrelevant I'm sure... come to think of it, isn't it a bit unkind to stop them from making money out of humanitarian aid.

Be kind!

ssd · 14/06/2025 20:07

Martymcfly24 · 14/06/2025 17:48

Agree @MushMonster . What I really fear is that we don't even know the full extent of the horror. No independent international journalists and now no Internet and we are not allowed to take Hamas's word as truth .

Carte Blanche has been handed to the IDF to do what they want.

It really has. Its deplorable.

ssd · 14/06/2025 20:10

It sounds like a lot of the food is no use anyway.

Utter shambles.

PaxAeterna · 14/06/2025 20:38

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c79e24x73xno

More people killed today. The situation sounds so desperately hopeless for people that I couldn’t even finish the article. Could a small mercy of the iran strikes be a reduction of military action in Gaza? I hope so.

the food supplies story doesn’t make it seem so.

Palestinians mourn a person killed as they waited for a convoy of aid lorries on the coastal road north-west of Gaza City, at al-Shifa hospital, northern Gaza (14 June 2025)

Fifteen killed by Israeli fire near Gaza aid site, hospitals say

Information on the latest incident is scarce as the internet has been down in Gaza for more than two days.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c79e24x73xno

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 14/06/2025 20:44

UN have said they were losing about 1% of their aid to theft when they were working in the area so I'm unclear where IDF are getting their figures from

Twiglets1 · 14/06/2025 20:47

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 14/06/2025 20:44

UN have said they were losing about 1% of their aid to theft when they were working in the area so I'm unclear where IDF are getting their figures from

Internal Hamas documents, according to the Times of Israel.