Inhumane Israeli - US backed GHF aid system.

[Whatsinanamehey]

To continue the discussion on this new aid system which has led to countless Palestinian deaths and injuries and labelled 'inhumane' by the UK government.

As stated in the old thread, the Abu shabab clan have openly said they have recruited volunteers to aid in this new system.

Abu Shabab told CNN that he leads “a group of citizens from this community who have volunteered to protect humanitarian aid from looting and corruption.”
The reality is more complicated.
Israeli officials have acknowledged providing weapons to Abu Shabab’s militia, as part of an operation to arm local groups to counter Hamas

From the UK Gov website

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/israels-new-aid-system-is-inhumane-israel-needs-to-end-its-restrictions-on-aid-now-uk-statement-at-the-un-security-council

BBC article on today's incident, there's also a live feed on BBC verify

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gr1rk5nvxo

You have not provided any evidence that the clan are volunteering at the aid centres @Whatsinanamehey I think that’s in your imagination that the have had a change of career unless you can provide evidence which you haven’t so far.

What has been reported is that they have been paid & given guns by Netanyahu to provide military support. They are military men paid to protect the site from attack. Not the aid workers going on a bus to hand out humanitarian aid to civilians.

From the previous thread, why not just condemn Hamas for attacking & killing Palestinian aid workers?

@Twiglets1 did you miss this post of mine?

Either way there is no concrete evidence that they are, however the Abu Shabab clan have said openly they are recruiting Palestinianst to work as aid workers. I'm sure more will come out in due time.

Surprisingly, there isn't much reported on it, on the times of Israel except for this first article. Perhaps they are awaiting further information from the GHF.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/gaza-aid-group-says-hamas-killed-at-least-5-local-staffers-possibly-abducted-others/

Fgs Hamas should just surrender then all this can end.

Not a single on of us here on this thread has any experience of distributing aid to millions of starving people, many of whom hate ( with good reason ) their occupiers, with an embedded militia who give not one shit how many of their own people die, do not wear uniforms, and would possibly steal the aid themselves- all in an active war zone.

Fgs Hamas should just surrender then all this can end. @dairydebris

The problems in the region go far, far deeper than just Hamas being in power. Removing Hamas is not the magic bullet that you hope it to be. There are many more issues to resolve including the establishment of a Palestinian state. Until there is a realistic chance of that happening, Israel is doomed to having to fight off stateless Palestinians.

Utterly insane first person account from a US mercenary on the ground: https://zeteo.com/p/exclusive-american-security-contractor?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&triedRedirect=true

Well, the UK official statement is loud and clear. Inhumane is the description.
This is not a one politician statement, but their official statement on their website and the UN. What else should it say? UK officials are usually rather mild in their statements, but this one could not be clearer: inhumane.
Also (being selfish here sorry), but why should we in the West remain silent when IS and ISIS groups are being armed? We had terrorists attacks on our own soil. I think we have plenty of reasons to oppose such a thing ( which is the reason I am not quite getting what is happening in Syria....). And is this type of groups who are named as responsible for other conflicts, like Sudan and Congo. Lets not mention Afghanistan...........

Apparently Hamas has murdered five Palestinian GHF workers and possibly kidnapped others. Given the way Sinwar and others have treated alleged collaborators in the past, I dread what might happen to any Palestinian GHF worker taken hostage.

Meanwhile, the GHF has already delivered millions of meals directly and for free to the people of Gaza.

As I said earlier the GHF and IDF are giving out conflicting information on when their sites are operating.

The army has warned Palestinians not to approach routes leading to GHF sites between 6 p.m. and 6 a.m. local time, describing these roads as closed military zones. Still, GHF has indicated that its sites are open past those hours.

This was reported after more Palestinians were killed last night by IDF fire.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-warning-shots-fired-overnight-at-crowd-of-gazans-who-posed-threat-to-troops/

Any more information on this? I saw that the GHF updated the figure to 8 dead and 21 wounded and said they were evacuated by the ICRC to Nasser hospital. However the ICRC have said they weren't involved and are currently working in a field hospital in Khan Younis, not the Nasser hospital.

There hasn't been much more information regarding this incident from the IDF or the Israeli government.

The whole thing is an utter shambles and dangerous to boot.
The UN should have been allowed to do what they do best and distribute this aid fairly and quickly. Instead more Palestinians have been shot dead and more families ripped apart.

Inhumane describes it perfectly.

I couldn't agree more.

Apologies for the late response. Totally agree it wouldn't be a magic bullet, but I do see it as an essential first step in getting away from the current utter shitshow.
I find your username... intriguing.

It would be a first step in a process if there were a guarantee that it would be followed up with meaningful talks about resolving the conflict that has been going on for decades. That includes recognition of both Israel and a Palestinian state. Unfortunately the current Israeli government, despite being offered security and non-aggression if it goes back to its 1967 borders, is not interested in a Palestinian state.
And so the shitshow, as you accurately describe it, it will go on.

Who is credibly offering Israel security and non-aggression?

Marwan Barghouti for a start. But he's in Jail.

Hamas also offered a 5 year truce in April this year.

Would any other country be expected to give aid to its enemy? Gaza clearly has enough resources for its almost constant rocket bombardment of Israel so it ought to sort out its own aid distribution.

Israel weren't expected to distribute aid. They banned everyone else from doing it though and they have responsibilities towards the people that they occupy. At least you are open about the fact that Palestinians are their 'enemy' not just Hamas, so many people pretend that this is all about Hamas despite all of the evidence to the contrary so kudos for the honesty.

And yes Ukraine gives aid to people they occupy as international law dictates.
www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-sends-humanitarian-aid-occupied-part-russias-kursk-region-2024-08-16/

I asked for credible suggestions.

A 5 year truce is 5 years of no fighting. It's a good start. Certainly preferable to the situation today.