People on the Madleen to be deported, awaiting court.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y264x3nnno

Seems some activists including G Thumberg signed to say they wanted to leave immediately and are home or on way home.

Some didn't and need to be deported to their home countries. No.idea how long court takes, assume Israel will want to.just get rid, having other more pressing matters to deal with.

Greta saying they were taken and held in the bottom of boat etc and worried for them.

What did this stunt cost in money, in court fees, to the climate in air journeys home, in wasted consular time, Sweden issued a comment on that, in talking about them rather than Gazans.

"Speaking to reporters at Charles de Gaulle airport, Thunberg said Israel had committed "an illegal act by kidnapping us on international waters and against our will, bringing us to Israel, keeping us in the bottom of the boat, not letting us getting out and so on".

"Asked why she was free while others were still detained, Thunberg said it was "a bit unclear". She said she and some others had signed a document saying they wanted to go back as soon as they could, but did not accept they had entered the country illegally, but others hadn't signed this document.

She added she had been unable to say goodbye to fellow activists before her deportation, and was unsure what was happening to them. "I'm very worried about them," she said.

France's Foreign Minister, Jean-Noel Barrot, earlier wrote on X: "Our consul was able to see the six French nationals arrested by the Israeli authorities last night."

"One of them has agreed to leave voluntarily and should return today. The other five will be subject to forced deportation proceedings."

Seems they want the 'stolen aid' back.

"We continue to demand the immediate release of all volunteers and the return of the stolen aid. Their kidnapping is unlawful and a violation of international law," it added.

Israel's foreign ministry said the aid, which includes baby formula and medicine, would be transferred to Gaza "through real humanitarian channels".

I’m curious as to what the Israeli authorities plan to do with the yacht Madleen they have acquired in international waters.

I'm curious as how you can refuse to leave then say you have been kidnapped. If the kidnapped individuals from.the Kibbutz and the festival were offered the chance to leave Gaza they'd be very happy to go.

"The FFC confirmed in a statement on Monday night that all 12 had reached Ashdod and that it expected any who refused to be deported to be transferred to a detention facility in Ramle, near Tel Aviv.

"We continue to demand the immediate release of all volunteers and the return of the stolen aid. Their kidnapping is unlawful and a violation of international law," it added."

Ask the owners to tow it home again? Sail it home to where its registered?

We continue to demand the immediate release of all volunteers and the return of the stolen aid. Their kidnapping is unlawful and a violation of international law

Yes, that makes zero sense when Israel are desperately wanting them gone, yet they refuse to leave, to the point they have to be formally deported. That’s not kidnapping.

As for the boat, maybe be they will do similar to where I’m from does when boats come illegally, they get the people off, then they burn them on the ocean. Solves the problem of them being used again for the same purpose.

The yacht was in international waters, wasn’t it?

I don't know. Perhaps they should move it back to where it was then and it could be collected by owners? As long as they don't just sail it straight into a conflict zone as the people on board were attempting to do.

I'll imagine they'll deport them ASAP. Maybe compensation claims for hurt feelings?

What a waste of money in legal fees. Who pays? Could be spent on more productive things.

Meanwhile, missile(s) launched at Israel overnight from Yemam. The Houthis again. They were the ones turning international boats around before.

There are actual hostages in Gaza and actual civilians suffering while the world's attention is on these brats with their self inflicted grievances. Its an obscenity.

In a statement later on Monday, Hamas condemned the detention of the Madleen crew, calling it a "flagrant violation of international law".

They've got some nerve saying that while they are holding actual hostages - some alive and some they have already murdered.

I don't see your point here. Israel attacked a Yemen port yesterday, the Houthis fired a missile. It's tit for tat. It's not like Israel have been minding their own business when shock horror a missile was fired.

And yes it was bad when the Houthis were the ones intercepting boats in international waters but when Israel does it for some reason some people are cool with it. Imagine the shit fit people would have if the Houthis dragged Israelis from international water back to Yemen. Imagine the shit fit people would have if food and medicine was being stopped from entering Israel. There's a lot of double standards going on in this conflict.

The lack of knowledge expressed on these threads is astounding.

Okay you don't understand the relevance.

How many people were killed or hurt when Israel intercepted the Madleen? None. None killed, none hurt. Fed, checked and off home.

In one attack by The Houthis when they 'were turning ships around ' as the sweet little marchers chanted in support, 3 people were killed, foreign workers, no one seemed bothered... link to article. There are other articles with others attacked but ill leave you with one to gain some knowledge.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68490695

The Houthis didn't 'drag anyone back' they killed them. Cool with that? To use your own expression. They are terrorists of course. Are you even aware of how they treat their own people? Yeman has many problems and their terrorist group The Houthis aren't doing anyone any favours there.

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Yes I'm cool with Israel intercepting a group headed to a war zone with a tiny amount of 'aid' and sending them home to safety, unharmed and fed.

Well said.

I'm not cool with any of it. Im not the one that has been supportive of ships being boarded and seized in international waters with unarmed civillians being dragged against their will to a foreign country , that's you that is in support of that remember. Personally I think they should all abide by the law, no exceptions not even for war mongering, terrorist supporting democratically elected governments.

"There's a lot of double standards going on in this conflict."

Well, quite!

For example, imagine the outcry if Palestinians - let us say the PA (which is considered the legitimate representation of Palestinians by most Western countries) sent its security forces into Netanya to arrest anyone they suspected of being in the IDF. And then held them for years, sometimes convicted by Palestinian kangaroo courts with 99% conviction rates and sometimes without any due process at all.

Imagine Palestinians decided that US officials were not allowed to travel to meet with their Israeli counterparts and had the power to just impose this.

Imagine Palestinians bombed a school in Haifa "because there was an IDF in there [no conclusive proof offered]".

Imagine you could not drive from Ashdod to Tel Aviv without going through several checkpoints, all of whom manned by Palestinians.

We are supposed to pretend that all of this is legitimate because Israel is a state that all Western countries recognise - and because it codifies its occupation and its abuses into law. So anything it does is obviously legal.

But slavery was legal, too. Apartheid was legal, too. The disenfranchisement of women or people without property was legal, slavery was legal, Jim Crow was legal, race laws in Nazi Germany were legal, ...

That does not make any of it actually right!

And if we want to talk about boarding ships and killing people then there is something else the Houthis and Israel have in common.

Which member of the Madleen wanting to enter a war zone was killed?

Notice no condemnation of the Houthis who killed people whilst turning ships around or blowing them up. No sandwiches water and health check and a free flight home from them.

Not the Madleen ... but how about the Mavi Marmara? Yeah, okay, "only Turks", I guess, so who cares?

How about the WCK employees (some of whom British)? How about British photo journalist and activist Tom Hurndall (whose mum demands justice for him still)? Britidh cameraman James Miller? British UN employee Iain Hook? Or - if we count "cultural proximity" ... Irish activist Caoimhe Butterly who was shot (but survived) in the same incident?

Americans Rachel Corrie, Aysenur Eygi?

And that is not even counting anyone who was also a "dash-Palestinian".

Israel has no problem offing internationals.

And, for the record: I think both are wrong - just also: yes, still wrong when Israel does it.

It would be comical, if they weren’t serious.

They are so well versed in international law that they really should consider a career as human rights lawyers, if terrorism doesn’t work out for them.

I'm not very impressed with Thunberg describing the film she refused to watch as "propaganda".

And you want to accuse me of having a lack of knowledge? Where did I say I was talking about the Madleen? With your breadth of knowledge I'm sure you are more than aware of Israels killings or 'summary executions' as the UN described them.

I didn't realise that there is some rule here where even when you say think they should all stay within the law you also have to 'condemn' them all too. Does that only go for me or do you have to 'condemn' them all too?