New ceasefire agreement

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BBC report a new ceasefire agreement mediated by the US. Israel has agreed to it. Waiting for Hamas to decide if they also want a ceasefire.

Ah, Hamas not keen since it doesn't meet its core demand. Losing a conflict using means surrender not dictating what you want whilst watching your people suffer.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cg5vmjv78j9t

"Israeli media cited Israeli officials as saying it would see Hamas hand over 10 living hostages and the bodies of 18 dead hostages in two phases in exchange for a 60-day ceasefire and the release of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails."

If it goes ahead then more hostages will be released and bodies of hostages returned.

A very large number of prisoners released too.

"News agency Reuters says the proposal is for a 60-day ceasefire and the release of 28 Israeli hostages - alive and dead - in the first week. In exchange, it proposes Israel would release 1,236 Palestinian prisoners and the remains of 180 dead Palestinians, Reuters reports.

It also reportedly includes sending humanitarian aid to Gaza via the UN and aid organisations once Hamas signs off on the agreement.

Reuters reports that the remaining 30 hostages would then be released once a permanent ceasefire is in place, and that Israel would cease all military operations in Gaza as soon as the truce takes effect"

Losing a conflict using means surrender not dictating what you want whilst watching your people suffer.

What an odd outlook. This isn’t a movie, it’s not good vs bad.
In what sense is Israel taking over Gaza and treating Palestinian citizens as second class people a “win”?

It's not an odd outlook. In conflicts there are sides that win or lose, that's reality.

Often losing sides surrender because they think of their people, Japan after the US bombing for example. They could have gone on fighying, but the leaders chose to put their people first, and built an amazing country after the end of WW2. Look at Japan now.

Don't mention Hamas refusing peace terms......it's against the genocide narrative so many one here wish to push.

it's against the genocide narrative so many one here wish to push.

It is a pretty mainstream view now to be fair. Mumsnet posters are not outliers in this view.

Don't mention Hamas refusing peace terms
The majority of people want a ceasefire, release of hostages and an end to the destruction of Gaza and its people. What people don't want is the displacement and cleansing of Gaza and an Israeli occupation. You would do well to remember that Israel collapsed the previous ceasefire agreement by reengaging with fighting and not moving to phase 2 of the plan. That decision cost countless Palestinian lives, led to their humanitarian aid blockade and no doubt put their hostages at tremendous risk who would be home by now if phase 2 had proceeded.

The ratio of 28 Israeli hostages (alive and dead) to 1,236 Palestinian prisoners and the remains of 180 dead Palestinians is crazy, considering that even Putin Russia agreed to releasing the same number of prisoners of war as Ukraine in their recent exchange (1000 from each side).

I imagine they are desperate to agree to get hostages back so will release a large number of prisoners in return

That’s what I think too, but some people will still say that “it’s obviously never been about the hostages” and claim that Israel doesn’t care about them.
Have seen it many times on this board.

How is an odd outlook to suggest that in a war it normally ends with one side surrendering and the other side is assumed by the outside world to have won?

Germany’s surrender for example was equated with them having lost the war. Not many people are questioning whether any side can really be said to have won based on the huge number of civilian casualties.

Exactly… it’s always been completely obvious to me that Israel care about the hostages.

Hamas obviously know it too… but people on here think they know better than the people holding the hostages how precious they are to Israel.

but people on here think they know better than the people holding the hostages how precious they are to Israel.

That’s what I find so fascinating, how many people regard themselves as experts on this topic.
I think it’s a very complex conflict, I’ve been trying to learn more about it since October 7th (although I had some basic knowledge before that).
Still, I wouldn’t just claim to know what Israelis/ Palestinians think/ want.

Of course Israel care about the hostages but the hostage families do not think Netanyahu and his actions in Gaza have put them as priority he's pretty much admitted it. Their actions in Gaza have gone well beyond hostage recovery. Why did they not go to phase two of if they were their priority?

Has anyone seen anything relating to the permanent ceasefire alluded to.
i can’t find anything online

I'm genuinely confused about the whole ceasefire thing .

Ultimately Israels aim is clear to enact Trump's Plan. There has been no change in this position. They will also never agree to a permanent ceasefire and will never agree to withdrawing from the area.

Now they are suggesting 60 days pause in fighting and the release of some of the hostages but no permanent ceasefire. Then obviously there will be a return to bombing or will it just be the start of the ethnic cleansing after the 60 days.

Why bother with any agreement? Is it only because of the hostages?
What has changed between now and when they broke the last ceasefire because they wouldn't move onto the next stage of the plan or is the plan just temporary pauses until all hostages released.

Am I completely off here. Genuinely.

Could it have something to do with Germany's recent change to their support.

You could be right.
Also probably want to show America that they are trying because that's where the money is coming from and Trump wants to be the one that sorts out the Middle East.

Telegraph article: Hamas to reject US Gaza ceasefire plan

Hamas will reject the latest US proposal for a ceasefire in Gaza, a senior official from the Palestinian terror group said.
On Thursday, the US said that Israel had agreed to the plan and that it was waiting for a response from Hamas.

Israeli officials said the deal would see Hamas hand over 10 living hostages and the bodies of 18 dead hostages in two phases across 60 days. Around 1,200 Palestinian prisoners would also be released in return.

A senior Hamas official told the BBC that the proposed deal did not satisfy the group’s demands, which included a permanent end to the war.

Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, told hostages’ families on Thursday evening that he had accepted the deal, which is guaranteed by Donald Trump, Egypt and Qatar.

Israel has agreed to increase aid into Gaza under the terms of the deal. It would be delivered by groups such as the Red Crescent and UN.
It is designed to facilitate further negotiations across 60 days in order to achieve a permanent end to the war. Once that is achieved, the remaining 30 of the 58 Israeli hostages would be released.

Israel would also end all military operations in Gaza as soon as the deal comes into effect.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/05/30/hamas-will-reject-us-gaza-ceasefire-plan/

The original story is at the top of the thread. Israel agreed to the US suggested terms.

Unfortunately, Hamas didn't agree to it. It's online on major news channels.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0qg5yzqle9o

Thanks for that update Namechanged, I’m not that surprised

I was looking for the permanent ceasefire info originally alluded to on the thread

This article states Hamas will return all hostages in return for a permanent ceasefire and withdrawal of the IDF but there’s nothing here about whether that’s being discussed

Is it ? because I still can’t find anything on that given that it’s been mentioned on the thread and as the proposal/ offer/ suggestion has been ongoing for so long.

The Guardian:

The ceasefire plan, which has been approved by Israeli officials, won a cool initial reaction Thursday from the militant group, reports the Associated Press (AP). But President Donald Trump said on Friday negotiators were nearing a deal.

“They’re very close to an agreement on Gaza, and we’ll let you know about it during the day or maybe tomorrow,” Trump told reporters in Washington. Late in the evening, asked if he was confident Hamas would approve the deal, he told reporters: “They’re in a big mess. I think they want to get out of it.”

US negotiators have not publicised the terms of the proposal, but a Hamas official and an Egyptian official, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive talks, told the AP on Thursday that it called for a 60-day pause in fighting, guarantees of serious negotiations leading to a long-term truce and assurances that Israel will not resume hostilities after the release of hostages, as it did in March.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/may/31/gaza-israel-hamas-ceasefire-middle-east-crisis-live-news-updates

That’s a shocking Guardian headliner

So I’m guessing the planned meeting in Ramallah, thats no longer allowed to go ahead, was to discuss the permanent ceasefire.

extract from the Guardian posted by Twiglets

Really poor headline for reporting on a peace agreement. Again the Guardian want to portray Israel in as poor a light on a possible and it will not be widely reported that Hamas refused the deal once again plunging their territory into war. Note the headline say Hamas face annihilation yet I guess the Guardian editors misinterpret this as Palestinians.

Blessed are the peace makers except when it's Israel?

I have to agree there that’s a very inflammatory headline.
The real question though is

Did the Israeli defence minister say that