What did you do during the genocide in Gaza?

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This is a brilliant article.

This will be taught in schools one day and our grandkids will ask us but what did you do when you knew this was happening?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/22/israel-gaza-genocide

Did you read the article it’s 30M USD firstly.

Where does the article state it’s a bad thing?

Certain US officials raised this point “the GHF's inexperience and the involvement of the for-profit US logistics and private military firms, said the four sources.” which seems like a valid concern to raise, no?

The pros and cons of every policy should be considered.

This. It’s well documented.

When people ask me what I was doing, I will say I wasn't virtue signalling on message boards because it was the fashionable thing.

I would say that in the 634 days since Gaza invaded Israel, 61,000 people have been killed in the Sudanese civil war, 378,000 in Tigray, 150,000 in Yemen, 258,000 in Ukraine. For those I know how many were civilians and how many were combatants - but in Gaza I still don't have that information because one side hides it's combatants amongst the civilian population.

I would say that outside of direct conflict, more than 500,000 children under 5 have starved to death in Sudan since the war started, more than 100,000 women were killed by their partners around the world in acts of domestic violence, while 21.88 million women in Afghanistan were stripped of their right to be seen, heard, to laugh, cry, see a doctor, go to school or even be seen from a window in the house.

And I will wish, as I have wished, for 634 days that Hamas did not invade Israel, that they did not hide amongst their women and children and they they would just give the hostages back so innocent people could stop needlessly dying.

And I will be pretty proud that I said the same thing every day: give up your guns, return the hostages, and stop trying to annihilate Israel. Palestinian people have been cannon fodder for far too long. These ridiculous articles just perpetuate the chain of dishonesty that feeds fuel to the conflict.

would say that in the 634 days since Gaza invaded Israel, 61,000 people have been killed in the Sudanese civil war, 378,000 in Tigray, 150,000 in Yemen, 258,000 in Ukraine. For those I know how many were civilians and how many were combatants - but in Gaza I still don't have that information because one side hides it's combatants amongst the civilian population

You might want to double check your figures if you maintain these deaths happened since 2023. The Sudan figure is the only one that looks in anyway correct. It is also not true that you could get an accurate break down of deaths for all of the wars that are referenced. There is agreement for example that approximately 13,000 civilians have been killed in Ukraine, (since the war started) but there is huge controversy about the military figures with both sides saying the other is lying.

This is what Rabbi Joseph did.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLYXhEFyj8R/?igsh=eXVteTg1OWVjMmg1

A reminder that Judaism and Zionism are not the same thing.

What, talk to a pro-Russian antisemitic website about how Israel shouldn't exist?

So now a rabbi is a antisemitic? Is blind support of isreal no matter what they do to anyone the only way not to be antisemitic in your mind?

I never said the Rabbi was antisemitic.

And yet @devourfeculence neither nor implied tbose things.

I do recommend you reading up on the tiny, very marginal group he belongs to and exactly why they are not zionists.

The former first minister of Scotland, Humza Yousaf

‘They’re not building a humanitarian city. They’re building a slaughterhouse. That’s what Israel’s defence minister has just announced- a plan to forcibly move Palestinians into what they’re calling a humanitarian city. Built on the ruins of Rafah. Let’s call it what it really is, a modern day internment camp. This isn’t about safety. It’s about control, containment, collective punishment. It’s about taking a population already starved, bombed and brutalised and herding them into a man-made prison with simply no way out.

And remember, this is the same Israeli government that has repeatedly ignored international law. The same Israeli government that has systematically targeted civilians, hospitals and workers and journalists. You think that they’re the ones who are suddenly concerned with humanitarian care? No. This is a staging ground for more bloodshed. A death trap disguised as compassion. We are watching in real time the architecture of genocide with bulldozers instead of barbed wire. This isn’t a safe zone. It’s a siege zone. And the worst part? They’ll dress it up in the language of aid and expect the world to clap.

Don’t be fooled. Dont let them rename oppression as mercy. this isn’t a humanitarian city. It’s a crime scene under construction.’

I agree with him.

Well said!!

Meanwhile back in the real world, Francesca Albanese sanctioned:
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/09/rubio-united-nations-sanctions-00445149

Is he one of those Neturei Karta who doesn't believe Israel should exist because the Messiah is coming to destroy earth or something?

That's them. Well I think its that the Messiah has to return to restore the Jews to Israel, so they can't pre-empt it. The antisemites' very favourite crank anti-zionists.

What I find fascinating about Humza is how endlessly he bangs on about human rights - but only when it comes to Israel.

Not once have I heard him call out the fact that Hamas is a brutal theocratic dictatorship. It denies its people a free press, free assembly, free speech, freedom from torture, democracy, due process, you name it. The list of abuses is endless, yet he stays silent.

He also never seems to mention the appalling treatment of women in other Muslim countries - take Afghanistan, where women are literally cloaked head-to-toe and banned from speaking, learning, or even seeking healthcare without a male escort.

And when it comes to his "native" Pakistan, the silence is deafening. No outrage over the religious apartheid happening in broad daylight. Girls - some as young as ten - are routinely kidnapped and forced to convert to Islam. Forced marriages and child marriages are rampant. Around 20% of adult women were forced into marriage as children. Dissidents vanish without a trace. Journalists are intimidated, tortured, or killed. Activists are “disappeared,” and entire religious minorities live in fear. This isn’t fringe stuff - it’s state-sanctioned oppression that is widely reported.

He claims to be all about “human rights” and “social justice,” yet he ignores some of the worst offenders on Earth - many of which he has direct ties to - and solely focusses on Israel. Human rights and civil freedoms are measurable. We track those globally. Israel consistently ranks around the level of countries like Italy. Meanwhile, the worst violators include Congo, Iran, Yemen, Syria - and yes, his native Pakistan.

So it really makes you wonder: what is it about Israel, specifically, that offends him so much?

Ah right, yes, they are very reliable witnesses on matters of geopolitics!

Chilling.

Truly chilling. The sanctions on ICC judges and now a UN official is chilling. Even if you vehemently disagree with her, nobody should champion this

Although I’d better get myself on the Trump thread to have some intelligent conversation about it.

There are indeed horrific abuses in places like Afghanistan, Iran, and Pakistan, and I agree they deserve attention and condemnation.

… but focusing on Israel and Palestine right now is not about ignoring those other tragedies; it’s about responding to an urgent, ongoing humanitarian catastrophe that is happening in real time- with weapons, funding, and political support from countries we live in and vote in.

Many people, including Humza Yousaf, have spoken out on other global injustices too but the scale, immediacy, and political entanglement of the situation in Gaza demands specific focus. Calling for a ceasefire or condemning mass displacement is not an endorsement of Hamas or any other oppressive regime. It’s a defence of basic civilian life.

If we demand consistency, then we should consistently stand for civilian protection and international law everywhere, including here.

Humza Yousaf on twitter

"The erasure of women goes against everything Islam stands for. I stand in solidarity with the women of Afghanistan."

That was a quick Google. Pity you didn't try that before posting @ForgeOfEmpires

So it really makes you wonder: what is it about Israel, specifically, that offends him so much?

His family had to flee from Israels bombardment? His sister in laws house was flattened by them.

Speaking of his father in law he said
He’s now seen the entire land become decimated – seen his mum, his son, his grandchildren all become refugees again. And is powerless to do anything about it.
“He’s become a shell of a man, he was incredibly outgoing, sociable, energetic individual.
“Since those traumatic four weeks it’s had an impact on him and my mother-in-law from which I don’t think they’ll properly recover.”

What do you think 'offends' him about the situation so much? If a man with family who have had their home destroyed, who has seen his family left traumatised, had a frantic 4 weeks trying to get them safe passage out of Gaza can't even comment on it without snide insinuations of antisemitism and people asking 'why do you even care' I don't know who can? Some people are unbelievable.

What I find fascinating is that people would criticise Humza who has only ever advocated diplomacy and working via peaceful political means to stop the war. While at the same time being silent about Netanyahu and the other extreme elements of the Israeli government who openly endorse aggressive military action and other unsavoury means to ends like starvation and now internment.

I really think history will show that everyone jumping on Israel, thinking they are being liberal and kind, is unwittingly supporting a dangerous and insidious rise in fascism that they are utterly blind to.

I think history will show some people sound increasingly desperate to minimise what Israel has done, when there are really no excuses left.