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ssd · 2025-05-22T21:05:07+00:00

This is a brilliant article. This will be taught in schools one day and our grandkids will ask us but what did you do when you knew this was happening? [[https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/22/israel-gaza-genocide https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/22/israel-gaza-genocide]]

SharonEllis · 26/05/2025 09:31

Alexandra2001 · 26/05/2025 09:13

Which makes what Israel is doing in Gaza even more shameful.

What he experienced in english schools is shocking and awful that we have such attitudes but that does not in any way excuse the brutality dished out to the ordinary Palestinian who has no control at all on the evil that is Hamas.

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No. No it does not.

Twiglets1 · 26/05/2025 09:36

UsernamesAreTaken · 26/05/2025 09:30

Harrowing stories on here. I wish everyone, no matter where they are from, peace and safety.

Antisemitism, or anti Jewish hatred has no place EVER.

Speaking out against the state of Israel and its genocide, war crimes, ethnic cleansing must not be conflated with antisemitism - whether done in 1948 during its inception or now.

It's taken almost 2 years of speaking out (and many more on the various massacres carried out in the past) for countries to finally see what is going on and God knows how long it will take them to stop it, to save more lives (Palestinian and hostages) and to prevent more bloodshed.

I agree it’s not necessarily anti semitic to speak out against what the Israel government is doing in this war. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

But it’s the way language is used that reveals whether a person has anti semitic views or not. If people use language that shows they think all Jews are the same or use stereotypes then that is anti semitic.

inamarina · 26/05/2025 09:36

EllaDisenchanted · 26/05/2025 08:09

I watched endless numbers of the rockets of the iron dome interceptor rockets fly overhead on October 7th between sirens, heard whispered reports of a terrorist invasion, and never dreamed reality was worse than my biggest nightmares.
I cried endless tears over people I’d never met who became part of my family. I lit a Shabbat candle every week for the hostages, prayed more tehillim than I thought possible, and learned their names and faces. I cooked for struggling families and donated to refugees. I mourned.
I spent nearly two years running in and out of bomb shelters and building stairwells, and lay on the street on top of my child when rockets and ballistic missiles were shot at us; by Hamas, by Hezbollah, by the Houthis, and by Iran. I thanked Gd when they were intercepted and tried to never take it for granted. I learned that the world could become curiously blind and deaf when ballistic missiles were shot at us by the Houthi. I learned that motorbikes can sound exactly like sirens.
I worried about terrorism, shootings, stabbing, arson, rockets, missiles, and nuclear bombs.
I watched in mounting horror as antisemitism became more virulent and open than ever; when a song called heil hitler could be released openly, Jews pushed out of universities, posters of our hostage babies defaced and ripped down, intifada called for openly on Western streets, and learned that October 7th could be ‘justified’.
I tried to reach out on a small corner of the internet and found a few friendly faces, on both sides. I tried to listen to both sides and open my mind a little, even if I recognised that I was always going to be biased. I gradually retreated back to my own little community, when the thoughtful voices were drowned out.
I got angry, I grieved, I felt hope and I felt despair. I felt closer to my Jewish brothers and sisters around the world than I ever thought possible. I retained and deepened my belief in Gd, and more and more prayed that He would bring peace for all, as I lost hope that humans could solve this.
I learned that many would see me as naive, sociopathic, psychopathic, evil, a stain on humanity, deluded, misguided. I learned that I didn’t care.

I won’t tell it to my children. They lived it.

Thank you for sharing your experience ❤️

Jujujudo · 26/05/2025 09:46

Alexandra2001 · 26/05/2025 09:13

Which makes what Israel is doing in Gaza even more shameful.

What he experienced in english schools is shocking and awful that we have such attitudes but that does not in any way excuse the brutality dished out to the ordinary Palestinian who has no control at all on the evil that is Hamas.

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I’m not going to offer a factual response because you’re not going to listen. All the best.

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ssd · 26/05/2025 09:50

Twiglets1 · 26/05/2025 09:29

Agree that ordinary Palestinians have no control over Hamas but that’s partly why Hamas have to be destroyed. They are keeping their own people in poverty and have committed a massacre on ordinary Israeli citizens with predictable repercussions.

I understand why the Israel government feel they need to be destroyed. Though I don’t always agree with their methods, for example in withholding aid for as long as they did.

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This thread is emotionally draining, I agree.

Its mind-bogglingly draining reading you saying
"They are keeping their own people in poverty and have committed a massacre on ordinary Israeli citizens with predictable repercussions".

Predictable repercussions?? over 52,000 dead in response to over 1200 dead and 251 hostages? Reading that you think this is a "predictable repercussion" is mind blowing to me.

And another poster responding to an article about the doctor in gaza losing 9 of her children in one day only highlights the mispelling of the word Israel. Like that is her biggest concern in the article posted, a deliberate misspelling of Israel, not a mother losing 9 children.

And the constant, constant complaints about antisemitism, whilst showing very little sympathy to the people in Gaza.

It is just mind numbing to me.

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UsernamesAreTaken · 26/05/2025 09:55

Twiglets1 · 26/05/2025 09:36

I agree it’s not necessarily anti semitic to speak out against what the Israel government is doing in this war. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

But it’s the way language is used that reveals whether a person has anti semitic views or not. If people use language that shows they think all Jews are the same or use stereotypes then that is anti semitic.

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That makes sense.

Not heard any anti Jewish sentiment in the past 2 years, and especially not from Palestinians here or on the ground.

inamarina · 26/05/2025 09:58

ssd · 26/05/2025 09:50

This thread is emotionally draining, I agree.

Its mind-bogglingly draining reading you saying
"They are keeping their own people in poverty and have committed a massacre on ordinary Israeli citizens with predictable repercussions".

Predictable repercussions?? over 52,000 dead in response to over 1200 dead and 251 hostages? Reading that you think this is a "predictable repercussion" is mind blowing to me.

And another poster responding to an article about the doctor in gaza losing 9 of her children in one day only highlights the mispelling of the word Israel. Like that is her biggest concern in the article posted, a deliberate misspelling of Israel, not a mother losing 9 children.

And the constant, constant complaints about antisemitism, whilst showing very little sympathy to the people in Gaza.

It is just mind numbing to me.

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Predictable repercussions??

What do you think Hamas expected to happen when they launched their October 7th attack?

SharonEllis · 26/05/2025 09:58

ssd · 26/05/2025 09:50

This thread is emotionally draining, I agree.

Its mind-bogglingly draining reading you saying
"They are keeping their own people in poverty and have committed a massacre on ordinary Israeli citizens with predictable repercussions".

Predictable repercussions?? over 52,000 dead in response to over 1200 dead and 251 hostages? Reading that you think this is a "predictable repercussion" is mind blowing to me.

And another poster responding to an article about the doctor in gaza losing 9 of her children in one day only highlights the mispelling of the word Israel. Like that is her biggest concern in the article posted, a deliberate misspelling of Israel, not a mother losing 9 children.

And the constant, constant complaints about antisemitism, whilst showing very little sympathy to the people in Gaza.

It is just mind numbing to me.

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How do you know the mispelling of Israel was the posters main concern? It was what the mispelling revealed.
Why is it ok to be antisemitic when discussing gaza?
Do you not understand that these things undermine our faith in why people care so much about gaza? Do you not think motivation matters? Ordinary palestinians are, for many people, just a pawn in their wider antisemitic world view. It is possible to be pro-Palestinian and not antisemitic. Why should we excuse the antisemitism? Does it not serve the Palestinian people best to actually be genuinely interested in peace in the region?

Twiglets1 · 26/05/2025 10:00

UsernamesAreTaken · 26/05/2025 09:55

That makes sense.

Not heard any anti Jewish sentiment in the past 2 years, and especially not from Palestinians here or on the ground.

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I have heard anti Jewish sentiment & stereotypes but that’s your experience.

SharonEllis · 26/05/2025 10:01

UsernamesAreTaken · 26/05/2025 09:55

That makes sense.

Not heard any anti Jewish sentiment in the past 2 years, and especially not from Palestinians here or on the ground.

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Did you see that two people were murdered last week for being Jewish?

Odras · 26/05/2025 10:02

But people are not accusing Israel supporters of holding callous attitudes because they are Jewish. It’s because some people on the thread have come across as callous and heartless.

I can see that people like @Jujujudo has done so because they feel personally attacked. Which is certainly not my intention. Jewish people are not responsible for the actions of the Israeli government.

Jujujudo · 26/05/2025 10:06

UsernamesAreTaken · 26/05/2025 09:55

That makes sense.

Not heard any anti Jewish sentiment in the past 2 years, and especially not from Palestinians here or on the ground.

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Are you Jewish?

Jujujudo · 26/05/2025 10:07

ssd · 26/05/2025 09:50

This thread is emotionally draining, I agree.

Its mind-bogglingly draining reading you saying
"They are keeping their own people in poverty and have committed a massacre on ordinary Israeli citizens with predictable repercussions".

Predictable repercussions?? over 52,000 dead in response to over 1200 dead and 251 hostages? Reading that you think this is a "predictable repercussion" is mind blowing to me.

And another poster responding to an article about the doctor in gaza losing 9 of her children in one day only highlights the mispelling of the word Israel. Like that is her biggest concern in the article posted, a deliberate misspelling of Israel, not a mother losing 9 children.

And the constant, constant complaints about antisemitism, whilst showing very little sympathy to the people in Gaza.

It is just mind numbing to me.

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Constant constant complaints of antisemitism????
Apologies for irritating you.

Twiglets1 · 26/05/2025 10:09

ssd · 26/05/2025 09:50

This thread is emotionally draining, I agree.

Its mind-bogglingly draining reading you saying
"They are keeping their own people in poverty and have committed a massacre on ordinary Israeli citizens with predictable repercussions".

Predictable repercussions?? over 52,000 dead in response to over 1200 dead and 251 hostages? Reading that you think this is a "predictable repercussion" is mind blowing to me.

And another poster responding to an article about the doctor in gaza losing 9 of her children in one day only highlights the mispelling of the word Israel. Like that is her biggest concern in the article posted, a deliberate misspelling of Israel, not a mother losing 9 children.

And the constant, constant complaints about antisemitism, whilst showing very little sympathy to the people in Gaza.

It is just mind numbing to me.

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Yes it was entirely predictable that Israel would retaliate aggressively to a massacre of their civilians. Did you think it more likely that they would just shrug their shoulders or something?

No one could have predicted over 52,000 deaths. Most people probably expected Hamas would get more assistance from their allies when it came to defending themselves against the hell that Netanyahu stated he was going to unleash.

Did world leaders rush to tell Netanyahu he couldn’t unleash hell? No, most of them understood why he had to retaliate militarily so didn’t intervene. It’s only recently that they have felt the need to try and rein him in because yes, at this point his response does feel disproportionate.

PurpleThistle7 · 26/05/2025 10:11

UsernamesAreTaken · 26/05/2025 09:55

That makes sense.

Not heard any anti Jewish sentiment in the past 2 years, and especially not from Palestinians here or on the ground.

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This is a very confusing statement. Do you mean you personally haven't heard anything anti-Jewish because you aren't Jewish? Or that you aren't aware of the rise in antisemitism because you aren't reading the news about it?

Appreciate that it's not the centre of many people's experiences - I cannot comment on comments made to people with different colour skin for example as I am white. But I am aware that it happens...

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ssd · 26/05/2025 10:17

Twiglets1 · 26/05/2025 10:09

Yes it was entirely predictable that Israel would retaliate aggressively to a massacre of their civilians. Did you think it more likely that they would just shrug their shoulders or something?

No one could have predicted over 52,000 deaths. Most people probably expected Hamas would get more assistance from their allies when it came to defending themselves against the hell that Netanyahu stated he was going to unleash.

Did world leaders rush to tell Netanyahu he couldn’t unleash hell? No, most of them understood why he had to retaliate militarily so didn’t intervene. It’s only recently that they have felt the need to try and rein him in because yes, at this point his response does feel disproportionate.

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Well thats something we can agree on, his response is definitely disproportionate now. And it seems more and more world leaders are calling him out on it, at last.

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SharonEllis · 26/05/2025 10:17

Jujujudo · 26/05/2025 10:07

Constant constant complaints of antisemitism????
Apologies for irritating you.

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Its extraordinary. Its apparently soooo hard to avoid being antisemitic and sooooo unfair (stamps foot) when people get pulled up on it.

Twiglets1 · 26/05/2025 10:19

Odras · 26/05/2025 10:02

But people are not accusing Israel supporters of holding callous attitudes because they are Jewish. It’s because some people on the thread have come across as callous and heartless.

I can see that people like @Jujujudo has done so because they feel personally attacked. Which is certainly not my intention. Jewish people are not responsible for the actions of the Israeli government.

You’re misunderstanding that point. I was the person who mentioned callous attitudes and it was in reference to lazy attacks on pro Israel supporters on this thread & nothing to do with the anti semitism issue now being discussed .

It was assumed by a previous poster that no pro Israel supporters care about the 9 babies being killed in the doctor’s family because we’re callous apparently. But none of us have said that ( I highly doubt any of us even thought that). We were being stereotyped by someone who has decided we’re all callous because of which side we support.

HellsBalls · 26/05/2025 10:38

@ssd “over 52,000 dead”

That number includes @ 30,000 terrorists.

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ssd · 26/05/2025 10:48

HellsBalls · 26/05/2025 10:38

@ssd “over 52,000 dead”

That number includes @ 30,000 terrorists.

How do you know that?

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Odras · 26/05/2025 10:58

Jujujudo · 26/05/2025 10:07

Constant constant complaints of antisemitism????
Apologies for irritating you.

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There has been constant complaints of anti semitism. I have been told I have been “seen” numerous time which I feel highly offended about as I don’t feel I have been anti semitic at all and it would be very much be against my values to be so. There have been completely valid accusations of anti semitism and ones that are just aiming to shut us up talking about Gaza.

Jujujudo · 26/05/2025 11:00

ssd · 26/05/2025 10:48

How do you know that?

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How do you know over 55000 dead?

SharonEllis · 26/05/2025 11:03

@ssd What figure do you think is accurate? Estimates vary and its obviously hard to estimate when Hamas are not a conventional uniformed army fighting a conventional war. Hamas control the casualty figures to a large extent and Israel's estimate is obviously going to be approximate but it has on several occasions been backed up by military analysts. All I've ever seen from Hamas is that they say Israeli figures are exaggerated. But they would say that.

Jujujudo · 26/05/2025 11:07

“And the constant constant complaints about Islamophobia while showing very little sympathy for victims of 9/11”.
“It’s not Islamophobic to go on protests demanding that Muslim immigrants go back to where they’re from”
”It’s not anti black to justify the killing of George Floyd because he was high”
”I have Muslim friends who also agree that all Muslims should leave Europe because they occupied it by force, they are the good ones”…

I could take more quotes to prove my point but I’m not sure I should be using my energy on trying to point out all the horrific double standards and offensive outright hateful things written here. I used to wonder how on earth the Holocaust could have happened - how the German people so easily helped the Nazis remove every Jew from their country. Nowadays I kind of understand how it happened. Shame on you all.

PurpleThistle7 · 26/05/2025 11:09

Odras · 26/05/2025 10:58

There has been constant complaints of anti semitism. I have been told I have been “seen” numerous time which I feel highly offended about as I don’t feel I have been anti semitic at all and it would be very much be against my values to be so. There have been completely valid accusations of anti semitism and ones that are just aiming to shut us up talking about Gaza.

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I appreciate that sometimes it's hard to recognise but if Jewish people have told you multiple times that you are sounding antisemitic you might want to think about that. Bigotry is often about what the impact of something is - not the intent. So you might not intend to be horrible, but if multiple people are reading what you are writing and saying the same thing it's worth considering.

If I was told that I was sounding racist multiple times I would really want to think about what I'm saying - entirely possible to say something unintentionally that hurts someone else.