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ssd · 2025-05-22T21:05:07+00:00

This is a brilliant article. This will be taught in schools one day and our grandkids will ask us but what did you do when you knew this was happening? [[https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/22/israel-gaza-genocide https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/22/israel-gaza-genocide]]

Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 25/05/2025 20:16

dairydebris · 25/05/2025 20:10

Arguing with straw men and can't spell Israel. Its not the most powerful post I've seen.

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Haha! ad hominem. Fail.

Mylegishangingoff · 25/05/2025 20:18

Eatcakeplease · 25/05/2025 20:07

Is someone trying to suggest that donations should be made to soldiers carrying out a genocide? Ain't no fucking way.

Even if you take out the rape and the murder their behaviour in general is just disgusting. Look at the way they behaved in the Louis Theroux doc. Firing 'warning shots' at foreign diplomats. Playing with Palestinians underwear. It's gross. Imagine donate to that.

dairydebris · 25/05/2025 20:23

Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 25/05/2025 20:16

Haha! ad hominem. Fail.

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Oh dear. It was literally a repudation of your straw man argument and your deliberate misspelling which gave away your prejudiced position.
I think you need to look up what ad hominem means.
Actually don't worry, I've done it for you ☺️

( of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.

Callie247 · 25/05/2025 21:02

mids2019 · 25/05/2025 19:49

Has anything at all bee proven for deliberate execution of citizens as sanctioned by leadership. Nope.

Bit hard really when the IDF investigate themselves then clear themselves of any involvement.

UsernamesAreTaken · 25/05/2025 21:05

Martymcfly24 · 25/05/2025 18:33

She is very well spoken and makes an excellent points.

I just looked up the interview she referenced, there was only a snippet on YouTube but I don't know if he was saying it as a positive or a negative that no one cares even if they kill 100 Palestinians in one night (either way he is correct)

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I've seen the video she is referring to, let me find it, it was Tzippy Scott who i think claimed they can get away with killing 100 Palestinians in one night because the world doesn't care. Let me try and find it

UsernamesAreTaken · 25/05/2025 21:10

This is the video of Tzippy Scott, Israeli leader who said they could get away with killing almost 100 because no one will care:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJwdw3xh2Hy

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJwdw3xh2Hy/

UsernamesAreTaken · 25/05/2025 21:18

mids2019 · 25/05/2025 18:09

https://www.fidf.org/about-us/

Just a reminder the IDF are people too and not some sort of group of genocidal automatons that the Guardian etc. I am getting the impression some of you may not be tempted to donate but these soldiers and airmen are professional soldiers with family in Israel, indeed suffering from the problems all professional soldiers may be prone to.

Remember with true genocide e.g. the third Reich it was governmental policy to eradicate Jews and parts of the armed forces were given this task. Conflating a professional army that is defending a people with the most horrendous killing machine in history is wrong (no matter what the Guardian says)

They've filmed themselves multiple times as anything but professional.

Martymcfly24 · 25/05/2025 21:30

UsernamesAreTaken · 25/05/2025 21:10

This is the video of Tzippy Scott, Israeli leader who said they could get away with killing almost 100 because no one will care:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJwdw3xh2Hy

Thanks @UsernamesAreTaken . Once again demonstrating the successful dehumanization of Palestinians that has allowed this all to happen.

Martymcfly24 · 25/05/2025 21:33

UsernamesAreTaken · 25/05/2025 21:18

They've filmed themselves multiple times as anything but professional.

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Yeah I won't be sending my money to soldiers who use bombing residential buildings for a gender reveal.

Imagine celebrating a new life by ruining others.

EllaDisenchanted · 26/05/2025 08:09

I watched endless numbers of the rockets of the iron dome interceptor rockets fly overhead on October 7th between sirens, heard whispered reports of a terrorist invasion, and never dreamed reality was worse than my biggest nightmares.
I cried endless tears over people I’d never met who became part of my family. I lit a Shabbat candle every week for the hostages, prayed more tehillim than I thought possible, and learned their names and faces. I cooked for struggling families and donated to refugees. I mourned.
I spent nearly two years running in and out of bomb shelters and building stairwells, and lay on the street on top of my child when rockets and ballistic missiles were shot at us; by Hamas, by Hezbollah, by the Houthis, and by Iran. I thanked Gd when they were intercepted and tried to never take it for granted. I learned that the world could become curiously blind and deaf when ballistic missiles were shot at us by the Houthi. I learned that motorbikes can sound exactly like sirens.
I worried about terrorism, shootings, stabbing, arson, rockets, missiles, and nuclear bombs.
I watched in mounting horror as antisemitism became more virulent and open than ever; when a song called heil hitler could be released openly, Jews pushed out of universities, posters of our hostage babies defaced and ripped down, intifada called for openly on Western streets, and learned that October 7th could be ‘justified’.
I tried to reach out on a small corner of the internet and found a few friendly faces, on both sides. I tried to listen to both sides and open my mind a little, even if I recognised that I was always going to be biased. I gradually retreated back to my own little community, when the thoughtful voices were drowned out.
I got angry, I grieved, I felt hope and I felt despair. I felt closer to my Jewish brothers and sisters around the world than I ever thought possible. I retained and deepened my belief in Gd, and more and more prayed that He would bring peace for all, as I lost hope that humans could solve this.
I learned that many would see me as naive, sociopathic, psychopathic, evil, a stain on humanity, deluded, misguided. I learned that I didn’t care.

I won’t tell it to my children. They lived it.

user1492757084 · 26/05/2025 08:21

I stayed far away from that region and prayed for peace.

I firstly prayed that the Hamas gave back their captives, that the abusive Hamas voluntarily gave themselves up and allowed the majority of their society to resume their peaceful way of life.

Later, after fighting excalated and Hamas were hiding amongst children and families I prayed that Israel and Hamas stop with the fighting. Hamas give back their captives and give themselves up to bring peace and food to their community.

Now, I still pray for peace. I want Israel to stop all fighting and speedily deliver food and medicines and Hamas to never activate their violence again or such a war will keep going.

Realistically, I think war will only stop if all of Israel and Pallestine is destroyed. They are all so bloody minded and no other country nor leader can stop it. It seems that safety for all has long gone as an outcome. The children are most unfairly treated.

SharonEllis · 26/05/2025 08:32

user1492757084 · 26/05/2025 08:21

I stayed far away from that region and prayed for peace.

I firstly prayed that the Hamas gave back their captives, that the abusive Hamas voluntarily gave themselves up and allowed the majority of their society to resume their peaceful way of life.

Later, after fighting excalated and Hamas were hiding amongst children and families I prayed that Israel and Hamas stop with the fighting. Hamas give back their captives and give themselves up to bring peace and food to their community.

Now, I still pray for peace. I want Israel to stop all fighting and speedily deliver food and medicines and Hamas to never activate their violence again or such a war will keep going.

Realistically, I think war will only stop if all of Israel and Pallestine is destroyed. They are all so bloody minded and no other country nor leader can stop it. It seems that safety for all has long gone as an outcome. The children are most unfairly treated.

What a heartless post, following a post from someone describing their experience living in the midst of it.

SharonEllis · 26/05/2025 08:32

EllaDisenchanted · 26/05/2025 08:09

I watched endless numbers of the rockets of the iron dome interceptor rockets fly overhead on October 7th between sirens, heard whispered reports of a terrorist invasion, and never dreamed reality was worse than my biggest nightmares.
I cried endless tears over people I’d never met who became part of my family. I lit a Shabbat candle every week for the hostages, prayed more tehillim than I thought possible, and learned their names and faces. I cooked for struggling families and donated to refugees. I mourned.
I spent nearly two years running in and out of bomb shelters and building stairwells, and lay on the street on top of my child when rockets and ballistic missiles were shot at us; by Hamas, by Hezbollah, by the Houthis, and by Iran. I thanked Gd when they were intercepted and tried to never take it for granted. I learned that the world could become curiously blind and deaf when ballistic missiles were shot at us by the Houthi. I learned that motorbikes can sound exactly like sirens.
I worried about terrorism, shootings, stabbing, arson, rockets, missiles, and nuclear bombs.
I watched in mounting horror as antisemitism became more virulent and open than ever; when a song called heil hitler could be released openly, Jews pushed out of universities, posters of our hostage babies defaced and ripped down, intifada called for openly on Western streets, and learned that October 7th could be ‘justified’.
I tried to reach out on a small corner of the internet and found a few friendly faces, on both sides. I tried to listen to both sides and open my mind a little, even if I recognised that I was always going to be biased. I gradually retreated back to my own little community, when the thoughtful voices were drowned out.
I got angry, I grieved, I felt hope and I felt despair. I felt closer to my Jewish brothers and sisters around the world than I ever thought possible. I retained and deepened my belief in Gd, and more and more prayed that He would bring peace for all, as I lost hope that humans could solve this.
I learned that many would see me as naive, sociopathic, psychopathic, evil, a stain on humanity, deluded, misguided. I learned that I didn’t care.

I won’t tell it to my children. They lived it.

I am sorry you are living through this, and thank you for sharing your experience.

PurpleThistle7 · 26/05/2025 08:39

EllaDisenchanted · 26/05/2025 08:09

I watched endless numbers of the rockets of the iron dome interceptor rockets fly overhead on October 7th between sirens, heard whispered reports of a terrorist invasion, and never dreamed reality was worse than my biggest nightmares.
I cried endless tears over people I’d never met who became part of my family. I lit a Shabbat candle every week for the hostages, prayed more tehillim than I thought possible, and learned their names and faces. I cooked for struggling families and donated to refugees. I mourned.
I spent nearly two years running in and out of bomb shelters and building stairwells, and lay on the street on top of my child when rockets and ballistic missiles were shot at us; by Hamas, by Hezbollah, by the Houthis, and by Iran. I thanked Gd when they were intercepted and tried to never take it for granted. I learned that the world could become curiously blind and deaf when ballistic missiles were shot at us by the Houthi. I learned that motorbikes can sound exactly like sirens.
I worried about terrorism, shootings, stabbing, arson, rockets, missiles, and nuclear bombs.
I watched in mounting horror as antisemitism became more virulent and open than ever; when a song called heil hitler could be released openly, Jews pushed out of universities, posters of our hostage babies defaced and ripped down, intifada called for openly on Western streets, and learned that October 7th could be ‘justified’.
I tried to reach out on a small corner of the internet and found a few friendly faces, on both sides. I tried to listen to both sides and open my mind a little, even if I recognised that I was always going to be biased. I gradually retreated back to my own little community, when the thoughtful voices were drowned out.
I got angry, I grieved, I felt hope and I felt despair. I felt closer to my Jewish brothers and sisters around the world than I ever thought possible. I retained and deepened my belief in Gd, and more and more prayed that He would bring peace for all, as I lost hope that humans could solve this.
I learned that many would see me as naive, sociopathic, psychopathic, evil, a stain on humanity, deluded, misguided. I learned that I didn’t care.

I won’t tell it to my children. They lived it.

I am sending you love from Scotland.

I know I get caught up in my own experiences - my daughter was ‘again’ yelled at in the hallway at school and my workplace is ‘again’ wallpapered with antisemitism graffiti but this is emotional exhaustion. I have not lived through your experiences and I am just so terribly sorry. And so, so tired.

SharonEllis · 26/05/2025 08:41

PurpleThistle7 · 26/05/2025 08:39

I am sending you love from Scotland.

I know I get caught up in my own experiences - my daughter was ‘again’ yelled at in the hallway at school and my workplace is ‘again’ wallpapered with antisemitism graffiti but this is emotional exhaustion. I have not lived through your experiences and I am just so terribly sorry. And so, so tired.

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I'm sorry you're living through it to. You, your daughter shouldnt have to live with this hate.

Jujujudo · 26/05/2025 08:42

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Israhell? Do you make up derogatory and offensive names for other countries? Or do you only do that for Jewish ones?

quantumbutterfly · 26/05/2025 08:49

EllaDisenchanted · 26/05/2025 08:09

I watched endless numbers of the rockets of the iron dome interceptor rockets fly overhead on October 7th between sirens, heard whispered reports of a terrorist invasion, and never dreamed reality was worse than my biggest nightmares.
I cried endless tears over people I’d never met who became part of my family. I lit a Shabbat candle every week for the hostages, prayed more tehillim than I thought possible, and learned their names and faces. I cooked for struggling families and donated to refugees. I mourned.
I spent nearly two years running in and out of bomb shelters and building stairwells, and lay on the street on top of my child when rockets and ballistic missiles were shot at us; by Hamas, by Hezbollah, by the Houthis, and by Iran. I thanked Gd when they were intercepted and tried to never take it for granted. I learned that the world could become curiously blind and deaf when ballistic missiles were shot at us by the Houthi. I learned that motorbikes can sound exactly like sirens.
I worried about terrorism, shootings, stabbing, arson, rockets, missiles, and nuclear bombs.
I watched in mounting horror as antisemitism became more virulent and open than ever; when a song called heil hitler could be released openly, Jews pushed out of universities, posters of our hostage babies defaced and ripped down, intifada called for openly on Western streets, and learned that October 7th could be ‘justified’.
I tried to reach out on a small corner of the internet and found a few friendly faces, on both sides. I tried to listen to both sides and open my mind a little, even if I recognised that I was always going to be biased. I gradually retreated back to my own little community, when the thoughtful voices were drowned out.
I got angry, I grieved, I felt hope and I felt despair. I felt closer to my Jewish brothers and sisters around the world than I ever thought possible. I retained and deepened my belief in Gd, and more and more prayed that He would bring peace for all, as I lost hope that humans could solve this.
I learned that many would see me as naive, sociopathic, psychopathic, evil, a stain on humanity, deluded, misguided. I learned that I didn’t care.

I won’t tell it to my children. They lived it.

🫂🇮🇱🎗️

Jujujudo · 26/05/2025 08:57

My last comment on this thread, because it’s making me more upset than I wish to be.
Growing up, we had a close family friend called John Chillag. He was taken from his home in Hungary to Auschwitz as a young boy where his father died of starvation in his arms. He somehow survived until liberation when he moved to Leeds to start his life again.
He used to tell his story in local schools, and sadly often jeered at, mocked, and once had a bacon sandwich thrown at him.
I remember in the car on the way back from a particularly awful experience in a Castleford school - I asked him why he subjected himself to this. His answer:
The truth doesn’t change. Opinions, propaganda, news, antisemites, we have no control of what they choose to say. But the truth doesn’t change. And the truth will always come out.

SharonEllis · 26/05/2025 09:03

Jujujudo · 26/05/2025 08:57

My last comment on this thread, because it’s making me more upset than I wish to be.
Growing up, we had a close family friend called John Chillag. He was taken from his home in Hungary to Auschwitz as a young boy where his father died of starvation in his arms. He somehow survived until liberation when he moved to Leeds to start his life again.
He used to tell his story in local schools, and sadly often jeered at, mocked, and once had a bacon sandwich thrown at him.
I remember in the car on the way back from a particularly awful experience in a Castleford school - I asked him why he subjected himself to this. His answer:
The truth doesn’t change. Opinions, propaganda, news, antisemites, we have no control of what they choose to say. But the truth doesn’t change. And the truth will always come out.

Very true, words to hang on to.

Alexandra2001 · 26/05/2025 09:09

Twiglets1 · 25/05/2025 07:51

No one believes that Russia attacked Ukraine out of "self defence".

Or at least I didn't think anyone could be that gullible but maybe you do?

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I guess you struggle with phrases that are put in quotes......

Alexandra2001 · 26/05/2025 09:13

Jujujudo · 26/05/2025 08:57

My last comment on this thread, because it’s making me more upset than I wish to be.
Growing up, we had a close family friend called John Chillag. He was taken from his home in Hungary to Auschwitz as a young boy where his father died of starvation in his arms. He somehow survived until liberation when he moved to Leeds to start his life again.
He used to tell his story in local schools, and sadly often jeered at, mocked, and once had a bacon sandwich thrown at him.
I remember in the car on the way back from a particularly awful experience in a Castleford school - I asked him why he subjected himself to this. His answer:
The truth doesn’t change. Opinions, propaganda, news, antisemites, we have no control of what they choose to say. But the truth doesn’t change. And the truth will always come out.

Which makes what Israel is doing in Gaza even more shameful.

What he experienced in english schools is shocking and awful that we have such attitudes but that does not in any way excuse the brutality dished out to the ordinary Palestinian who has no control at all on the evil that is Hamas.

Twiglets1 · 26/05/2025 09:21

So sorry to hear the personal experiences of people like @EllaDisenchanted and @PurpleThistle7

And @Jujujudo I totally understand your feelings about stepping away from this thread. It is emotionally draining to have to read so much vitriol every day.

People throwing around insults and accusing Israel supporters on this thread of holding callous attitudes like “just another terrorist, eh” re child deaths should be ashamed.

Twiglets1 · 26/05/2025 09:29

Alexandra2001 · 26/05/2025 09:13

Which makes what Israel is doing in Gaza even more shameful.

What he experienced in english schools is shocking and awful that we have such attitudes but that does not in any way excuse the brutality dished out to the ordinary Palestinian who has no control at all on the evil that is Hamas.

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Agree that ordinary Palestinians have no control over Hamas but that’s partly why Hamas have to be destroyed. They are keeping their own people in poverty and have committed a massacre on ordinary Israeli citizens with predictable repercussions.

I understand why the Israel government feel they need to be destroyed. Though I don’t always agree with their methods, for example in withholding aid for as long as they did.

inamarina · 26/05/2025 09:29

Jujujudo · 26/05/2025 08:57

My last comment on this thread, because it’s making me more upset than I wish to be.
Growing up, we had a close family friend called John Chillag. He was taken from his home in Hungary to Auschwitz as a young boy where his father died of starvation in his arms. He somehow survived until liberation when he moved to Leeds to start his life again.
He used to tell his story in local schools, and sadly often jeered at, mocked, and once had a bacon sandwich thrown at him.
I remember in the car on the way back from a particularly awful experience in a Castleford school - I asked him why he subjected himself to this. His answer:
The truth doesn’t change. Opinions, propaganda, news, antisemites, we have no control of what they choose to say. But the truth doesn’t change. And the truth will always come out.

He used to tell his story in local schools, and sadly often jeered at, mocked, and once had a bacon sandwich thrown at him.

I just don’t get where that blind, ugly hatred is coming from. I never understood antisemitism.
People ripping down posters of hostages, people orgainising Pro-Palestine marches while the terror attack on October 7th was still happening (documents released by the Metropolitan Police show that the Palestine Solidarity Campaign contacted them around midday on October 7 to notify them of their intention to hold a pro-Palestine march in London).
Someone on the thread about the Israeli embassy staff shootings in the US said: “its the killing today that is turning people against Jews today”, as if hatred towards Jews (not even just Israelis) was a perfectly understandable reaction from those who condemn the actions of the Israeli government.
It almost seems like some people feel they don’t have to hide their true feelings anymore. There’s an interesting thread on X about that: x.com/chalavyishmael/status/1926653311828070889

UsernamesAreTaken · 26/05/2025 09:30

Harrowing stories on here. I wish everyone, no matter where they are from, peace and safety.

Antisemitism, or anti Jewish hatred has no place EVER.

Speaking out against the state of Israel and its genocide, war crimes, ethnic cleansing must not be conflated with antisemitism - whether done in 1948 during its inception or now.

It's taken almost 2 years of speaking out (and many more on the various massacres carried out in the past) for countries to finally see what is going on and God knows how long it will take them to stop it, to save more lives (Palestinian and hostages) and to prevent more bloodshed.