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Conflict in the Middle East

What did you do during the genocide in Gaza?

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ssd · 22/05/2025 22:05

This is a brilliant article.

This will be taught in schools one day and our grandkids will ask us but what did you do when you knew this was happening?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/22/israel-gaza-genocide

What did you do during the genocide in Gaza? | Arwa Mahdawi

When future generations read about Gaza with horror and wonder how we allowed a livestreamed genocide to happen, what will you say?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/22/israel-gaza-genocide

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SharonEllis · 25/05/2025 08:34

HellsBalls · 25/05/2025 08:30

Russia is firing on Kiev with ballistic missiles and shaheed drones. Both unguided. Both just targeting the city, where apart from the government buildings, there are no legitimate targets.

Exactly. No legitimate targets in an unprovoked war.

HellsBalls · 25/05/2025 08:37

SharonEllis · 25/05/2025 08:34

Exactly. No legitimate targets in an unprovoked war.

I forgot to add, Russia is acting very much like Hamas and Hezbollah were over the years with their unguided rocket attacks into civilian areas.

sualipa · 25/05/2025 09:53

Quite.

Benjamin Netanyahu and Vladimir Putin enjoyed a friendly phone chat earlier this month, marking the 80th anniversary of Nazi Germany’s defeat. The Israeli and Russian leaders have much in common. Both claim to be still heroically battling Nazis, in Gaza and Ukraine respectively. This fiction is used to justify the mass murder of civilians, spiralling troop casualties and huge economic and reputational costs. Maybe it helps them sleep at night.
Bibi and Vlad: the world’s most wanted men – and possibly the most despised.

Overseeing the random killing, maiming and traumatising of thousands of children is one of many shared behaviours. These two authoritarian “strongmen” have each plunged their countries into global pariahdom and moral purdah. Conflict keeps them in power. They milk patriotic sentiment to cow domestic opponents and vilify foreign critics as antisemites, terrorist sympathisers or Russophobes. They wage war because they fear peace. Both are on the run from international justice, with warrants issued for their arrest for heinous crimes

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/25/donald-trump-netanyahu-putin-forever-war

Trump refuses to accept that for Netanyahu and Putin forever war is the only option | Simon Tisdall

The US president thought he could impose peace through sheer personality, but he didn’t reckon with two leaders with so much to lose, says Guardian foreign affairs commentator Simon Tisdall

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/25/donald-trump-netanyahu-putin-forever-war

HellsBalls · 25/05/2025 10:14

@sualipa The Guardian. Enough said.

MrsSkylerWhite · 25/05/2025 10:50

Martymcfly24 · 24/05/2025 21:54

Would you really support the killing and starvation of Belgian women and children as well in vengence?

I find that shocking.

So do I.

quantumbutterfly · 25/05/2025 10:51

HellsBalls · 25/05/2025 08:30

Russia is firing on Kiev with ballistic missiles and shaheed drones. Both unguided. Both just targeting the city, where apart from the government buildings, there are no legitimate targets.

I wonder where they're getting those shaheed drones from....

HellsBalls · 25/05/2025 10:57

quantumbutterfly · 25/05/2025 10:51

I wonder where they're getting those shaheed drones from....

From Iran.

quantumbutterfly · 25/05/2025 10:57

sualipa · 25/05/2025 07:54

If Ukrainains had been taking land from Russia and settling it with force against international law the Russians in turn would have had legal justification to take it by force.

Any thoughts on Russia's use of north Korean troops.
Any thoughts on Russia's troop movements on the Finnish border, maybe they're just going in to take a bit of land back.
The old soviet bloc was quite cumbersome. I wonder if they'll have another go at annexing Afghanistan.

28Fluctuations · 25/05/2025 11:11

dairydebris · 23/05/2025 10:10

I remember Rwanda. I think of it often. Its my mental yardstick to remember the absolute nadir of what humans are capable of. I think of it all the time when people say what's happening is more awful than anything that's ever been done.

I dont think many on here know much about it. Lists of names being read out on the radio. Neighbour's going to each other's houses with machetes to seek out people to murder. Road blocks manned by militia bent on murder.

And then... somehow... a reconciliation of sorts. People moving back to neighborhoods with murderers nearby. Gacaca courts.

The darkest depths of humanity and somehow, a recovery ( not total I know, but the murdering has stopped. )

Actually it's a message of hope after all.

This.

Mostly I wonder why people are so ignorant of past and present atrocities elsewhere. And how those 'resolved' or didn't.

What did your parents say when you asked them what they did about the Killing Fields in Cambodia?

What are you doing right now about the war in Sudan?

Or the horror of Ukraine?

sualipa · 25/05/2025 11:43

quantumbutterfly · 25/05/2025 10:57

Any thoughts on Russia's use of north Korean troops.
Any thoughts on Russia's troop movements on the Finnish border, maybe they're just going in to take a bit of land back.
The old soviet bloc was quite cumbersome. I wonder if they'll have another go at annexing Afghanistan.

My point was simply to highlight that the Ukrainians are not doing that they’re defending their legally recognised territory from illegal and violent encroachment. I do have views on those other points, of course, but they would take the thread off topic. This discussion is specifically about Gaza.

UsernamesAreTaken · 25/05/2025 17:12

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UsernamesAreTaken · 25/05/2025 17:37

This is worth a listen from a British Israeli journalist:

www.instagram.com/reel/DKFO8lCAq1H

mids2019 · 25/05/2025 18:09

https://www.fidf.org/about-us/

Just a reminder the IDF are people too and not some sort of group of genocidal automatons that the Guardian etc. I am getting the impression some of you may not be tempted to donate but these soldiers and airmen are professional soldiers with family in Israel, indeed suffering from the problems all professional soldiers may be prone to.

Remember with true genocide e.g. the third Reich it was governmental policy to eradicate Jews and parts of the armed forces were given this task. Conflating a professional army that is defending a people with the most horrendous killing machine in history is wrong (no matter what the Guardian says)

Odras · 25/05/2025 18:19

UsernamesAreTaken · 25/05/2025 17:37

This is worth a listen from a British Israeli journalist:

www.instagram.com/reel/DKFO8lCAq1H

I throughly agree with her. I find her next video down really interesting as well with her criticism of the left on antisemitism.

Martymcfly24 · 25/05/2025 18:33

UsernamesAreTaken · 25/05/2025 17:37

This is worth a listen from a British Israeli journalist:

www.instagram.com/reel/DKFO8lCAq1H

She is very well spoken and makes an excellent points.

I just looked up the interview she referenced, there was only a snippet on YouTube but I don't know if he was saying it as a positive or a negative that no one cares even if they kill 100 Palestinians in one night (either way he is correct)

mids2019 · 25/05/2025 19:33

https://www.fidf.org/alisas-story/

I wish someone would explain to me who is committing this genocide? Is the blame on the cabinet who give war goals to senior IDF commanders? Is it the military commanders of the IDF who draw up technical battle plans i or is the individual soldiers of the IDF? (I have linked a story from a typical member of the Israeli milotary)?

The action of Israel and individual members of its military can not be likened to the genocides of the past such as the Holocaust where the military were literally herding people into gas chambers. To suggest equivalence is grossly anti semitic. The idea of genocide was launched partly as a response to the most heinous mass execution of the Jewish people; please see the many resources on this before it passes from living memory.

The continual portrayal of a military as a death squad is wrong as there are plenty of examples of what systemic killing of civilians is and this is not it.

P.S. there are no websites in support of the Israeli opposition quite rightly

OurStepsWillAlwaysRhyme · 25/05/2025 19:34

mids2019 · 25/05/2025 18:09

https://www.fidf.org/about-us/

Just a reminder the IDF are people too and not some sort of group of genocidal automatons that the Guardian etc. I am getting the impression some of you may not be tempted to donate but these soldiers and airmen are professional soldiers with family in Israel, indeed suffering from the problems all professional soldiers may be prone to.

Remember with true genocide e.g. the third Reich it was governmental policy to eradicate Jews and parts of the armed forces were given this task. Conflating a professional army that is defending a people with the most horrendous killing machine in history is wrong (no matter what the Guardian says)

Yes, it must be hard work. Those six year old don't just shoot themselves, you know. (Or is that the latest lie?)

mids2019 · 25/05/2025 19:49

Has anything at all bee proven for deliberate execution of citizens as sanctioned by leadership. Nope.

Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 25/05/2025 20:04

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Eatcakeplease · 25/05/2025 20:07

Is someone trying to suggest that donations should be made to soldiers carrying out a genocide? Ain't no fucking way.

Eatcakeplease · 25/05/2025 20:07

Either that or they trolling.

Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 25/05/2025 20:08

mids2019 · 25/05/2025 19:49

Has anything at all bee proven for deliberate execution of citizens as sanctioned by leadership. Nope.

There is absolutely nothing that is going to satisfy you. NOTHING.

They could nuclear bomb Gaza (they won't, because they want the land, even though its a mass graveyard, but for argument's sake) and you'd say it was justified.

SharonEllis · 25/05/2025 20:08

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And yet noone 'defending Israhell' ever says such a thing on this board.

Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 25/05/2025 20:10

Classic DARVO

prismreports.org/2023/12/11/israel-palestine-domestic-violence-darvo/

dairydebris · 25/05/2025 20:10

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Arguing with straw men and can't spell Israel. Its not the most powerful post I've seen.

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