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What did you do during the genocide in Gaza?

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ssd · 22/05/2025 22:05

This is a brilliant article.

This will be taught in schools one day and our grandkids will ask us but what did you do when you knew this was happening?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/22/israel-gaza-genocide

What did you do during the genocide in Gaza? | Arwa Mahdawi

When future generations read about Gaza with horror and wonder how we allowed a livestreamed genocide to happen, what will you say?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/22/israel-gaza-genocide

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SharonEllis · 24/05/2025 20:20

Alexandra2001 · 24/05/2025 20:11

You don't know that at all, Israel hasn't a clue who it is bombing/shelling or shooting, its indiscriminate.
They even gunned down their hostages a while back.

But if you re right, why is Israel continuing to kill people in their '000s? another family of wiped out today, the mother is a medic in a nr by hospital, her husband was one of the injured she had to treat, knowing her children were dead....

What Israel is doing is, imho far worse than what Putin is doing in Ukraine.

Israel has a pretty good idea of how many hamas people they are killing though there will be more than the identified named people that they announce simply because hamas is so embedded in gaza society. Why do you think you know better?

SigmundinaCafe · 24/05/2025 21:07

Alexandra2001 · 24/05/2025 20:11

You don't know that at all, Israel hasn't a clue who it is bombing/shelling or shooting, its indiscriminate.
They even gunned down their hostages a while back.

But if you re right, why is Israel continuing to kill people in their '000s? another family of wiped out today, the mother is a medic in a nr by hospital, her husband was one of the injured she had to treat, knowing her children were dead....

What Israel is doing is, imho far worse than what Putin is doing in Ukraine.

What Israel is doing is, imho far worse than what Putin is doing in Ukraine.

Utter rubbish. Your assessment is fallacious because you’re suggesting Israel should be punished for defending itself from a totalitarian death cult that has been attacking Israeli citizens since 2006 while hiding behind its own ‘people’. You’re applying double standards by requiring of Israel behaviour not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.

And what of the hostages? Did you just forget about them?

Further, Ukrainians haven’t spent the last 77 years screaming that they want destroy Russia (a sovereign nation), kill or kick out the native inhabitants (because remember it’s the Jews that are the indigenous inhabitants of Judaea and Samaria) and then implement a jihadi state in its place. Israel is currently fighting a seven front war with Iran and its proxies (Hezbollah, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Hourhis, Iraqi Shiite Militias etc.). Oh and by the way, Iran and Russia: good allies….Iran supplies Russia with Shahed-131 and Shahed-136 drones and Mohajer-6 drones to use against Ukraine.

SigmundinaCafe · 24/05/2025 21:19

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1dayatatime · 24/05/2025 21:44

@MrsBennetsPoorNerves

"It's possible to recognise that this is a complex war, triggered by a terrorist atrocity, and to utterly condemn the abhorrent attacks on innocent Jewish people who have nothing to do with that war AND to simultaneously feel anger about the atrocities that the Israeli government is currently perpetrating in Gaza. It isn't a zero sum game.

What Hamas did on October 7th was despicable. However, what Netanyahu is doing now is also despicable. Two wrongs don't make a right."

This is a classic "I condemn Hamas but....", a bit like in WW2 someone saying "I condemn Hitler and I don't much like them bombing me in London but that doesn't excuse the RAF bombing Germany ". It's completely naive and unrealistic for any country that is attacked to just shrug it off - of course they will retaliate.

If for example there was an attack on Essex by the terrorist Government of say Belgium, that killed 8,000 British civilians then I have no doubt that the majority of the public would support the bombing of Belgium to stop these terrorists doing it again.

SigmundinaCafe · 24/05/2025 21:49

Not sure why my last post was deleted? I used only Hamas’s own cited figures to disprove the dubious claims of genocide.

Unless the term “silly beggars” is considered offensive now?

I guess we might find out….

Martymcfly24 · 24/05/2025 21:54

1dayatatime · 24/05/2025 21:44

@MrsBennetsPoorNerves

"It's possible to recognise that this is a complex war, triggered by a terrorist atrocity, and to utterly condemn the abhorrent attacks on innocent Jewish people who have nothing to do with that war AND to simultaneously feel anger about the atrocities that the Israeli government is currently perpetrating in Gaza. It isn't a zero sum game.

What Hamas did on October 7th was despicable. However, what Netanyahu is doing now is also despicable. Two wrongs don't make a right."

This is a classic "I condemn Hamas but....", a bit like in WW2 someone saying "I condemn Hitler and I don't much like them bombing me in London but that doesn't excuse the RAF bombing Germany ". It's completely naive and unrealistic for any country that is attacked to just shrug it off - of course they will retaliate.

If for example there was an attack on Essex by the terrorist Government of say Belgium, that killed 8,000 British civilians then I have no doubt that the majority of the public would support the bombing of Belgium to stop these terrorists doing it again.

Would you really support the killing and starvation of Belgian women and children as well in vengence?

I find that shocking.

Alexandra2001 · 24/05/2025 22:15

SigmundinaCafe · 24/05/2025 21:07

What Israel is doing is, imho far worse than what Putin is doing in Ukraine.

Utter rubbish. Your assessment is fallacious because you’re suggesting Israel should be punished for defending itself from a totalitarian death cult that has been attacking Israeli citizens since 2006 while hiding behind its own ‘people’. You’re applying double standards by requiring of Israel behaviour not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.

And what of the hostages? Did you just forget about them?

Further, Ukrainians haven’t spent the last 77 years screaming that they want destroy Russia (a sovereign nation), kill or kick out the native inhabitants (because remember it’s the Jews that are the indigenous inhabitants of Judaea and Samaria) and then implement a jihadi state in its place. Israel is currently fighting a seven front war with Iran and its proxies (Hezbollah, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Hourhis, Iraqi Shiite Militias etc.). Oh and by the way, Iran and Russia: good allies….Iran supplies Russia with Shahed-131 and Shahed-136 drones and Mohajer-6 drones to use against Ukraine.

I suggested no such thing, where did i say that?

So because there is a land dispute between Israel and the Palestinians, that gives the Israelis the right to kill 53k mostly civilians?

I assume you know full well what the right wing parties in Israel have said about the Palestinians over decades? and are now carrying this out, now they are in Govt.

Seems to me that if Hamas has suffered such huge loses, why is Israel increasing their bombing effort to the extent that they want Gaza emptied of Palestinians... if only there was a phrase for that sort of action......

The IDF now appears to be targeting medical staff, by accident or design?

No i haven't forgotten the hostages but you and the Israelis have, how many have been killed by the IDF....

Odras · 24/05/2025 22:25

1dayatatime · 24/05/2025 21:44

@MrsBennetsPoorNerves

"It's possible to recognise that this is a complex war, triggered by a terrorist atrocity, and to utterly condemn the abhorrent attacks on innocent Jewish people who have nothing to do with that war AND to simultaneously feel anger about the atrocities that the Israeli government is currently perpetrating in Gaza. It isn't a zero sum game.

What Hamas did on October 7th was despicable. However, what Netanyahu is doing now is also despicable. Two wrongs don't make a right."

This is a classic "I condemn Hamas but....", a bit like in WW2 someone saying "I condemn Hitler and I don't much like them bombing me in London but that doesn't excuse the RAF bombing Germany ". It's completely naive and unrealistic for any country that is attacked to just shrug it off - of course they will retaliate.

If for example there was an attack on Essex by the terrorist Government of say Belgium, that killed 8,000 British civilians then I have no doubt that the majority of the public would support the bombing of Belgium to stop these terrorists doing it again.

Do you really think people would just sit around while the people of Belgium were maimed, killed and starved? Because they were under a terrorist government?

I think the vast majority of the population would not be behind that.

quantumbutterfly · 24/05/2025 22:29

SigmundinaCafe · 24/05/2025 21:07

What Israel is doing is, imho far worse than what Putin is doing in Ukraine.

Utter rubbish. Your assessment is fallacious because you’re suggesting Israel should be punished for defending itself from a totalitarian death cult that has been attacking Israeli citizens since 2006 while hiding behind its own ‘people’. You’re applying double standards by requiring of Israel behaviour not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.

And what of the hostages? Did you just forget about them?

Further, Ukrainians haven’t spent the last 77 years screaming that they want destroy Russia (a sovereign nation), kill or kick out the native inhabitants (because remember it’s the Jews that are the indigenous inhabitants of Judaea and Samaria) and then implement a jihadi state in its place. Israel is currently fighting a seven front war with Iran and its proxies (Hezbollah, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Hourhis, Iraqi Shiite Militias etc.). Oh and by the way, Iran and Russia: good allies….Iran supplies Russia with Shahed-131 and Shahed-136 drones and Mohajer-6 drones to use against Ukraine.

And Russia supplies Iran with Ukrainian grain.

Odras · 24/05/2025 22:30

1dayatatime · 24/05/2025 21:44

@MrsBennetsPoorNerves

"It's possible to recognise that this is a complex war, triggered by a terrorist atrocity, and to utterly condemn the abhorrent attacks on innocent Jewish people who have nothing to do with that war AND to simultaneously feel anger about the atrocities that the Israeli government is currently perpetrating in Gaza. It isn't a zero sum game.

What Hamas did on October 7th was despicable. However, what Netanyahu is doing now is also despicable. Two wrongs don't make a right."

This is a classic "I condemn Hamas but....", a bit like in WW2 someone saying "I condemn Hitler and I don't much like them bombing me in London but that doesn't excuse the RAF bombing Germany ". It's completely naive and unrealistic for any country that is attacked to just shrug it off - of course they will retaliate.

If for example there was an attack on Essex by the terrorist Government of say Belgium, that killed 8,000 British civilians then I have no doubt that the majority of the public would support the bombing of Belgium to stop these terrorists doing it again.

And to add. It doesn’t excuse the bombing of Dresden ect..From remembering my history lessons the amount of civilian death was unnecessary.

if you have to reach back to world war 2 / before the Geneva convention to find justification for Israeli military action, then there is something deeply wrong,

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 24/05/2025 22:49

1dayatatime · 24/05/2025 21:44

@MrsBennetsPoorNerves

"It's possible to recognise that this is a complex war, triggered by a terrorist atrocity, and to utterly condemn the abhorrent attacks on innocent Jewish people who have nothing to do with that war AND to simultaneously feel anger about the atrocities that the Israeli government is currently perpetrating in Gaza. It isn't a zero sum game.

What Hamas did on October 7th was despicable. However, what Netanyahu is doing now is also despicable. Two wrongs don't make a right."

This is a classic "I condemn Hamas but....", a bit like in WW2 someone saying "I condemn Hitler and I don't much like them bombing me in London but that doesn't excuse the RAF bombing Germany ". It's completely naive and unrealistic for any country that is attacked to just shrug it off - of course they will retaliate.

If for example there was an attack on Essex by the terrorist Government of say Belgium, that killed 8,000 British civilians then I have no doubt that the majority of the public would support the bombing of Belgium to stop these terrorists doing it again.

I absolutely believe that Israel had the right to respond. No country in the world would have stood by and done nothing in response to the brutality and barbarism of what happened on October 7th. But they should have responded in a targeted and proportionate manner. What they are doing in Gaza has gone way beyond a proportionate response. And if the UK government were to respond to an attack on our country in such a disproportionate and indiscriminate manner, I would be appalled.

I honestly struggle to understand how anyone can try to justify what is happening in Gaza right now. And I honestly don't know what people who are supporting Netanyahu think all this killing is going to achieve. Do they really think that starving the people of Gaza now is going to make them safer in the long run? Is all the bombing going to help them get the remaining hostages back? I don't understand the end game here. When will enough be enough?

mids2019 · 25/05/2025 05:07

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news

As of today on the BBC main website there is not a mention of Gaza in the front page and Has doesn't feature in the most watched etc. quite strange if there is a genocide.

Maybe the BBC are making sensible editorial decisions about how it priotises world news reflecting the real interests of the British people as well as the acknowledgment the corporation is open to mistakes on this to pic e.g. children of Gaza and Gary Lineker. Having a permanent live feed on Gaza is not great journalism especially when so much of the report out of Gaza is essentially sanctioned by Hamas as there are no journalists allowed into Gaza.

if you are into Gaza protests then the Guardian is the place to go but some of their commentary is really adrift from main stream British opinion.

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Odras · 25/05/2025 07:15

Yes there is, it’s the 3rd story down. Your posts are so ridiculous, I don’t think people respond to them anymore.

Alexandra2001 · 25/05/2025 07:19

@mids2019 You re clutching at straws if the early morning addition of BBC on-line is your defence.

The killing of the Doctors family, 9 of their 10 children all dead, by an IDF bomb was heavily covered yesterday, as is the now public policy to force Palestinians into the south, make life unbearable and force them to leave Gaza was also deemed newsworthy.

A Israeli Govt spokesperson dismissed it as "Show me a war with no collateral damage?"

How anyone, least of all the Israelis defend/support this policy is beyond me, surely they know about this sort of thing better than most...

BTW only the courts can say if its a genocide or not.

mids2019 · 25/05/2025 07:24

Nah....this was the 9th most read story on the BBC presumably above the Gaza conflict stuff

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c771v2y078po

There is little being published on the BBC as I think editorial teams know they are being fed propaganda and are wanting to review a lot of material to make sure it's editorially sound. As I said the BBC have made mistakes on this.

there was an article in the Guardian trying to say the BBC was 'Pro vehicle's by not continually highlighting the conflict. Sorry but I pay my licence fee for broad proportionate journalism with things like winter fuel payments justifiably taken too news story slots.

A woman with blonde hair in a red dress and sunglasses stands looking at the camera while holding a microphone.

'Someone stole my BBC bike in the Hague - it's like losing a friend'

Anna Holligan transformed her bike into a mobile studio for the BBC in the Netherlands - now it has vanished.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c771v2y078po

mids2019 · 25/05/2025 07:26

I guess the BBC will report on court hearings in the future as it should. There are those that would want a continual report on Civil an death in Gaza and I am pointing out this isn't happening as there are other important events in the world.

Odras · 25/05/2025 07:28

oh are you just trying to make the point that what’s happening in Gaza is insignificant?

Twiglets1 · 25/05/2025 07:30

Odras · 25/05/2025 07:15

Yes there is, it’s the 3rd story down. Your posts are so ridiculous, I don’t think people respond to them anymore.

It depends which country your news is set to - there is nothing about it if your country is set to top stories for the UK.

mids2019 · 25/05/2025 07:41

I think he Gaza conflict is significant but it looks like at least the BBC are being more proportionate since food has been allowed into Gaza. Other conflicts in the world I am sure will be equally covered e.g. Ukraine for one where a number of civilians have died through indiscriminate Russian bombing.

Alexandra2001 · 25/05/2025 07:45

mids2019 · 25/05/2025 07:41

I think he Gaza conflict is significant but it looks like at least the BBC are being more proportionate since food has been allowed into Gaza. Other conflicts in the world I am sure will be equally covered e.g. Ukraine for one where a number of civilians have died through indiscriminate Russian bombing.

Its on Sky, ITV and on BBC Breakfast, just watched the report & on additions of BBC on-line.

"Indiscriminate Russian bombing" why is it this when its Russia killing civilians but when its Israel its "Precision strikes" and "Collateral damage...." ?

Russia, also claims "Self defence"

sualipa · 25/05/2025 07:45

SigmundinaCafe · 24/05/2025 21:07

What Israel is doing is, imho far worse than what Putin is doing in Ukraine.

Utter rubbish. Your assessment is fallacious because you’re suggesting Israel should be punished for defending itself from a totalitarian death cult that has been attacking Israeli citizens since 2006 while hiding behind its own ‘people’. You’re applying double standards by requiring of Israel behaviour not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.

And what of the hostages? Did you just forget about them?

Further, Ukrainians haven’t spent the last 77 years screaming that they want destroy Russia (a sovereign nation), kill or kick out the native inhabitants (because remember it’s the Jews that are the indigenous inhabitants of Judaea and Samaria) and then implement a jihadi state in its place. Israel is currently fighting a seven front war with Iran and its proxies (Hezbollah, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Hourhis, Iraqi Shiite Militias etc.). Oh and by the way, Iran and Russia: good allies….Iran supplies Russia with Shahed-131 and Shahed-136 drones and Mohajer-6 drones to use against Ukraine.

While it's true that Israel has the right to defend itself from attacks by armed groups like Hamas, that right does not grant blanket justification for massive, disproportionate use of force resulting in large-scale civilian casualties. Defending oneself is not the same as engaging in indiscriminate or disproportionate retaliation, particularly when entire neighbourhoods are being flattened, hospitals are being hit, and civilians including children and women are dying by the thousands.

Claiming moral superiority over Putin’s war in Ukraine doesn’t hold much weight when civilian infrastructure is bombed and humanitarian conditions become catastrophic. The scale of civilian suffering in Gaza, especially when aid is restricted and escape routes are minimal, raises serious ethical and legal concerns under international humanitarian law.A bibilcal famine is happening before our eyes acknowledged relecutantly by the Israeli leadership.

Further, pointing to Hamas’s brutality does not absolve Israel of responsibility for how it conducts its military operations. Civilian casualties and collective punishment are not acceptable just because the adversary is cruel. If anything, democratic nations are expected to uphold higher standards, not fall to the level of the enemy.

As for the hostage situation it is horrific. But that tragedy should not be weaponized to justify unending escalation or mass civilian harm. The suffering of Israeli families doesn’t cancel out the suffering of Palestinian ones. Both can be acknowledged without diminishing either.

Finally, invoking geopolitics (Iran-Russia ties, jihadi ideology, etc.) distracts from the central issue: the humanitarian disaster unfolding in Gaza today. Every conflict has complex roots, but civilians must never be made to bear the brunt of decisions made by political or militant leaders on either side.

Two former Isareli PM's have called for the war to stop and virtually called out Netanhayu as a monster as has an ex IDF General - after neraly 18 months enough is enough. Ceasfire now bring the hostages home, get substantial aid in and rebuild Gaza.

If Israel, with its world-class surveillance capabilities, had concrete evidence of Hamas stealing humanitarian aid, it would have publicized it extensively in spades. But so far, there's been nothing. No credible footage, no solid proof zilch. I’m not denying that aid diversion might happen, but the overwhelming evidence of widespread suffering, especially among ordinary Gazans and children, is too visible, too heartbreaking, and too urgent to ignore for anyone with a conscience.

Twiglets1 · 25/05/2025 07:51

Alexandra2001 · 25/05/2025 07:45

Its on Sky, ITV and on BBC Breakfast, just watched the report & on additions of BBC on-line.

"Indiscriminate Russian bombing" why is it this when its Russia killing civilians but when its Israel its "Precision strikes" and "Collateral damage...." ?

Russia, also claims "Self defence"

No one believes that Russia attacked Ukraine out of "self defence".

Or at least I didn't think anyone could be that gullible but maybe you do?

sualipa · 25/05/2025 07:54

Twiglets1 · 25/05/2025 07:51

No one believes that Russia attacked Ukraine out of "self defence".

Or at least I didn't think anyone could be that gullible but maybe you do?

If Ukrainains had been taking land from Russia and settling it with force against international law the Russians in turn would have had legal justification to take it by force.

SharonEllis · 25/05/2025 08:11

Alexandra2001 · 25/05/2025 07:45

Its on Sky, ITV and on BBC Breakfast, just watched the report & on additions of BBC on-line.

"Indiscriminate Russian bombing" why is it this when its Russia killing civilians but when its Israel its "Precision strikes" and "Collateral damage...." ?

Russia, also claims "Self defence"

Oh come off it - self decence against what? Russia's attacks, first on Crimea, then later on the rest of Ukraine, were completely unprovoked territorial expansion, complrtely illegal and recognised by everyone to be, except fellow fascists.

There is no similarity with Israel responding to the appalling and completely illegal 7 October attacks. Can't believe this needs to be said.

HellsBalls · 25/05/2025 08:30

Alexandra2001 · 25/05/2025 07:45

Its on Sky, ITV and on BBC Breakfast, just watched the report & on additions of BBC on-line.

"Indiscriminate Russian bombing" why is it this when its Russia killing civilians but when its Israel its "Precision strikes" and "Collateral damage...." ?

Russia, also claims "Self defence"

Russia is firing on Kiev with ballistic missiles and shaheed drones. Both unguided. Both just targeting the city, where apart from the government buildings, there are no legitimate targets.

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