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Conflict in the Middle East

The Children Starve First

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Municipal · 21/05/2025 20:43

I wanted to open a space to reflect on something that’s been haunting me.

I've noticed in reports from Gaza that children are dying of starvation at shocking rates — even more than adults. At first I wondered how this could be, given that children need less food than adults. But I’ve since learned that children are actually the first to die in famine situations.

Here’s why:

  • Children have smaller bodies but higher nutritional needs per kilogram, especially during growth spurts. They need regular, balanced intake to maintain development.
  • Malnutrition hits them faster — their energy stores are smaller, and their bodies have less ability to adapt to a lack of nutrients.
  • Their immune systems weaken rapidly, making them far more likely to die from diseases that an adult body might fight off.
  • Infants and toddlers can’t chew tougher emergency rations or go without water as long, and breastfed babies suffer if their mothers are dehydrated or malnourished.
  • The UN says that in every famine, the first to die are the smallest and weakest.
The stories of babies dying in their mothers’ arms — not from bombs or bullets but from hunger — are unbearable. I can’t stop thinking about the terror and anguish these parents must feel. How helpless it must be to watch your child fade away slowly, knowing you have nothing left to give them.

I know we talk about current events, about war, politics, sides — but surely, we can unite around this: no child should starve to death in their mother’s arms.

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Municipal · 22/05/2025 19:43

Do people actually want to see starving babies as proof?

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dairydebris · 22/05/2025 19:44

Odras · 22/05/2025 19:30

I don’t think so. He already pulled out of a ceasefire deal that would have returned the hostages. But what an unrealistic ask as well. What party in a negotiation as well is going to give up their only leverage. Blinken & the US government at the time gave much advice on the best way to dismantle Hamas and it was completely ignored.

But regardless of all of this. The main reason for the pressure on Israel from western quarters is that Israel is an ally. It is literally our responsibility, as an ally of Israel, to call them out on their behaviour. We are collectively responsible for what happens to the people in Gaza.

OK. Thanks for answering.

I dont agree that we are responsible for what happens in Gaza. I think Hamas are firstly responsible for what happens in Gaza. Israel are next responsible. Israel is a sovereign nation and like all nations makes it's own choices on defence.

I just can't understand why there's thread after thread of hatred for Israel / Israeli actions but no same thread of hatred for Hamas or calls for Hamas to surrender. It's just all on Israel.

And I know they're terrorists, but they are also the government of Gaza and they could also end it tomorrow. Thats what would be best for Gaza. They're also just men. Like Netanyahu. Just men, subject to the same morals as each other. They could end it too, and let Gaza find new leadership that doesn't see its own people as sacrifices.

Thats what I hope for anyway.

ButteredRadishes · 22/05/2025 19:52

Cottagecheeseisnotcheese · 21/05/2025 21:31

@Snickersnack1 I am not saying food aid shouldn't happen it should; but explaining why food aid frequently does not reach the intended recipients. Also when in dire circumstances if a child appears to be dying the decision maybe taken not to give them the food but the other children who are stronger and will have a better chance. Just like when multiple very serious injuries in th hospitals you need to concentrate on those that stand a decent chance of survival rather than those who probably won't make it anyway, It is truly awful, that such decisions have to be made

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It's just survival of the fittest.

It's an unfortunate side effect of us being animals.

ScrollingLeaves · 22/05/2025 19:58

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 22/05/2025 17:00

Yes of course and no doubt the lack of access to aid is effecting them too. Netanyahu has not prioritised their safe release. I still don't understand why they did not move to phase 2 of ceasefire agreement no clear explanation was ever provided

I still don’t understand why they did not move to phase 2 of ceasefire agreement no clear explanation was ever provided

It was, I believe, that Smotrich or Ben-Givr
( I can’t remember which one) resigned in fury over the ceasefire and hostage release agreement which he considered to mean saying Hamas had won. He wanted to go on and get his cleansing and take-over done once and for all while the going is good.

Then Netanyahu needed him back because without his support he would be out and then convicted for whatever charge it is hanging over him.

In fact, I remember that people in Washington who knew what was happening had already realised from the outset that Netanyahu wouldn’t go through with phase two.

It is a miracle that thanks to the Biden plan last May/ Trump forcing the issue when he came into office the hostages who did, did get released then. Thank God for that at least.

Odras · 22/05/2025 20:01

Municipal · 22/05/2025 19:43

Do people actually want to see starving babies as proof?

A deleted post wanted to see starving adults as proof. The babies weren’t enough for them - starved by an uncivilised society apparently.

Unfortunately by the time you see large swathes of a population becoming skeletal, widespread famine has set in and there would be thousands of deaths even with intervention. Survivors and the next generation are also forever impacted.

Odras · 22/05/2025 20:22

@dairydebris i think it is an unlikely hope. Even If Hamas folded tomorrow, there seem to be other militias in Gaza who would be only happy to harness the anger around them and step into power. When people are oppressed, you will always find those willing to fight.

Ideally, the Palestinians would be offered a peaceful, political path to their own state. Even Witkoff seems to largely agree with the Arab plan not this Israeli plan.

Not that I think that is likely either. I think our best bet at this stage is to hope that Israel gets so much external and internal pressure that it is forced to provide aid. All of the aid necessary to avert a catastrophe.

smallglassbottle · 22/05/2025 20:22

MissyB1 · 22/05/2025 18:27

Let's call that compound what it will actually be - a concentration camp like those in the second world war. Refugee camp suggests the people will be cared for, they will definitely not be well cared for, I think we all know that 🙁

Indeed, but one has to use one's words carefully, because some people are working hard to cause deletions if those words sail a little too close to shore 👀

dairydebris · 22/05/2025 20:39

Odras · 22/05/2025 20:22

@dairydebris i think it is an unlikely hope. Even If Hamas folded tomorrow, there seem to be other militias in Gaza who would be only happy to harness the anger around them and step into power. When people are oppressed, you will always find those willing to fight.

Ideally, the Palestinians would be offered a peaceful, political path to their own state. Even Witkoff seems to largely agree with the Arab plan not this Israeli plan.

Not that I think that is likely either. I think our best bet at this stage is to hope that Israel gets so much external and internal pressure that it is forced to provide aid. All of the aid necessary to avert a catastrophe.

Well, I agree that it seems unlikely right now. And I agree Israel should let the aid in, even if it means Hamas get their filthy hands on it.

I try to have hope that there will be a solution one day, other peoples have been oppressed and come away from it. Awful wars have happened and peace has come. Humans can be both absolutely monstrous and amazingly noble. It just takes the right leader and vision.

TheGrimSmile · 22/05/2025 20:48

I cannot believe this is happening and there are people still trying to fucking justify it.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 22/05/2025 20:48

Why is there no option for a dislike, angry or thumb-down emoji on posts.
Very disappointing.

dairydebris · 22/05/2025 20:50

EmeraldShamrock000 · 22/05/2025 20:48

Why is there no option for a dislike, angry or thumb-down emoji on posts.
Very disappointing.

Because you can use your words to make your point.

MummytoE · 22/05/2025 20:54

Municipal · 22/05/2025 19:43

Do people actually want to see starving babies as proof?

The people who want to see starving babies as proof will never be satisfied by the evidence. They will claim the images are doctored or ai or similar. People can excuse anything if they really want to

smallglassbottle · 22/05/2025 20:56

dairydebris · 22/05/2025 20:50

Because you can use your words to make your point.

And then people can use them against you and have you deleted 🙃

quantumbutterfly · 22/05/2025 21:01

smallglassbottle · 22/05/2025 20:56

And then people can use them against you and have you deleted 🙃

If you post hate speech or support for a proscribed terrorist group.....them's the breaks .

Odras · 22/05/2025 21:04

dairydebris · 22/05/2025 20:39

Well, I agree that it seems unlikely right now. And I agree Israel should let the aid in, even if it means Hamas get their filthy hands on it.

I try to have hope that there will be a solution one day, other peoples have been oppressed and come away from it. Awful wars have happened and peace has come. Humans can be both absolutely monstrous and amazingly noble. It just takes the right leader and vision.

100% there is always a way. You do need the right people though.

You might blame Hamas for what’s happening. I blame the international community. The Arab countries should have come forward with a plan sooner. Israeli allies should have started off calling for restraint and progressed to action at least a year ago. They were all counting on the US doing some finger wagging.

Now we are at a point where Gaza is unliveable and even the Israeli government are expressing surprise that the world hasn’t stopped them.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 22/05/2025 21:07

Feeling empathy and wishing an end to the torture and suffering of the innocent Palestinian people is not support for a terrorist group or a snub to the horrors of October 7th.

smallglassbottle · 22/05/2025 21:26

quantumbutterfly · 22/05/2025 21:01

If you post hate speech or support for a proscribed terrorist group.....them's the breaks .

Nope.

YourOnMute · 22/05/2025 21:29

Yes, October 7th was horrendous. But what about every day since? How many more horrendous days against an entire people will we see?

The UK had extreme acts of violence carried out by the IRA a generation ago but it was never used as a rationale to bomb Ireland, another state. And what bombs are being used now!!

Igotjelly · 22/05/2025 21:33

quantumbutterfly · 22/05/2025 21:01

If you post hate speech or support for a proscribed terrorist group.....them's the breaks .

Saying that Israel is bombing innocent civilians into oblivion is not glorifying a prescribed terrorist group, it’s stating an objective fact. Oct 7th was awful and Hamas as an ideology had no place in civilised society but nothing justifies the actions of the Israeli government.

Igotjelly · 22/05/2025 21:34

Or do you think their actions are acceptable?

quantumbutterfly · 22/05/2025 21:34

YourOnMute · 22/05/2025 21:29

Yes, October 7th was horrendous. But what about every day since? How many more horrendous days against an entire people will we see?

The UK had extreme acts of violence carried out by the IRA a generation ago but it was never used as a rationale to bomb Ireland, another state. And what bombs are being used now!!

Nothing the IRA did compares to 7/10.

MrsSunshine2b · 22/05/2025 21:37

dairydebris · 22/05/2025 19:44

OK. Thanks for answering.

I dont agree that we are responsible for what happens in Gaza. I think Hamas are firstly responsible for what happens in Gaza. Israel are next responsible. Israel is a sovereign nation and like all nations makes it's own choices on defence.

I just can't understand why there's thread after thread of hatred for Israel / Israeli actions but no same thread of hatred for Hamas or calls for Hamas to surrender. It's just all on Israel.

And I know they're terrorists, but they are also the government of Gaza and they could also end it tomorrow. Thats what would be best for Gaza. They're also just men. Like Netanyahu. Just men, subject to the same morals as each other. They could end it too, and let Gaza find new leadership that doesn't see its own people as sacrifices.

Thats what I hope for anyway.

No they couldn't, Israel could have had all the hostages back by now but prefers to use them as an excuse for genocide. No better than the accusation that Hamas is using civilians as human shields.

It's an established fact that Israel is murdering and torturing thousands of innocent people, including babies and children. Yes, I hate Israel. I think it's disgusting what they are doing and the pathetic excuse that it's in self-defense is absolute rubbish. Not only that, but they have been committing atrocities and breaking international law to bully Palestinians for decades. I hate Hamas too but they are not the ones with the power to stop this.

Glitchymn1 · 22/05/2025 21:40

“I sincerely hope 14% of posters don't agree with children being starved to death.” We have lost our humanity.

Igotjelly · 22/05/2025 21:42

Glitchymn1 · 22/05/2025 21:40

“I sincerely hope 14% of posters don't agree with children being starved to death.” We have lost our humanity.

I think from some of the responses it’s clear they consider it at least a necessary evil. It’s sick.

YourOnMute · 22/05/2025 21:50

quantumbutterfly · 22/05/2025 21:34

Nothing the IRA did compares to 7/10.

I didn't say it did.
But the UK was still attacked by a terrorist organisation many times. It never used that to attack another state. And attack it relentlessly every day since.