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Conflict in the Middle East

Why don't Hamas just release all the hostages?

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springbabydays · 18/05/2025 06:43

First time wading in here but reading this morning's developments, it says Hamas have offered to release 9 hostages in exchange for a 60 day truce and some prisoners.

Why not release all hostages to end the war?

What's in it for them to prolong this? They are clearly not going to 'beat' Israel.

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MyNameIsX · 18/05/2025 20:07

I hope Israel finishes off Hamas.

Expect Mossad to hunt down and liquidate those Hamas terrorists who would seek to flee.

Cowardly scum hiding amongst women and children.

Charmeleon33 · 18/05/2025 20:13

How could Mossad find Hamas if they couldn’t find the hostages?

User37482 · 18/05/2025 20:13

quantumbutterfly · 18/05/2025 19:26

TBF as a proportion of the UK population, even just of the English population those numbers of dead and abducted would be far higher. Israel has about 9 million compared to 70 million UK (58 million in England). The sadistic joy of the carnage just amplified the horror.

Absolutely the deaths total would be massive. I feel really uncomfortable about how easily people gloss over this number of people being murdered in one terror attack. It didn’t have to happen, if Hamas hadn’t done this Israel would not be in Gaza. Equally the civilian casualties in Gaza cannot be ignored but to be honest I hold Hamas responsible, their idiots in chief actually said that Gazan civilians weren’t actually their responsibility as the were refugees so it was up to the UN to watch out for them not Hamas.

Hamas bring death and destruction wherever they go. They basically forced Netanyahu back into Gaza (I honestly don’t know what else they could have done, Sinwar had been one of those released in a previous prisoner swap, the initial demands included some pretty awful Hamas militants). I don’t know why they didn’t consider that Netanyahu is a hardliner and would do his best to crush them. I guess they thought they could leverage public opinion into pressuring Israel to hold back, but the crime was so big and so many were murdered tortured and raped, children killed etc that there was no way Israel couldn’t respond to this.

dairydebris · 18/05/2025 20:14

Charmeleon33 · 18/05/2025 20:13

How could Mossad find Hamas if they couldn’t find the hostages?

Well they found most of Black September after Munich. I reckon they'd manage.

User37482 · 18/05/2025 20:16

Charmeleon33 · 18/05/2025 20:13

How could Mossad find Hamas if they couldn’t find the hostages?

Because eyes on within Gaza is hard whereas once they leave it’s easier. It’s how they planted all those pager bombs on Hezbollah. They couldn’t see them clearly when they were in Lebanon but once Hezbollah operatives started setting up shop in Syria they were able to fill in the blanks on who was who and where they were going and where they lived. They were able to identify who to track.

Whatever else Mossad is probably the most capable intelligence agency in the world.

Martymcfly24 · 18/05/2025 20:27

quantumbutterfly · 18/05/2025 19:47

Millions did die in the wars we've fought, that's why most people wouldn't start one.

If war is defined as a state of armed Conflict it long predates October 7th and I can imagine your reaction if I shrugged off the atrocities on that date as a mere consequence of a war .

MyNameIsX · 18/05/2025 20:55

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Stripes56 · 18/05/2025 20:57

User37482 · 18/05/2025 20:16

Because eyes on within Gaza is hard whereas once they leave it’s easier. It’s how they planted all those pager bombs on Hezbollah. They couldn’t see them clearly when they were in Lebanon but once Hezbollah operatives started setting up shop in Syria they were able to fill in the blanks on who was who and where they were going and where they lived. They were able to identify who to track.

Whatever else Mossad is probably the most capable intelligence agency in the world.

Nice - that would really improve Israel’s international status. More extrajudicial killings.

JunkShopper · 18/05/2025 21:05

Netanyahu has explicitly said that simply releasing the hostages would not end the war genocide. So why would they release them?

Why do people imagine that Israel will act differently from the way they have openly said they will act?

JunkShopper · 18/05/2025 21:07

Why don't Israel just release all the prisoners under administrative detention?

Why don't Israel just withdraw to their pre-1967 borders?

MyNameIsX · 18/05/2025 21:09

JunkShopper · 18/05/2025 21:05

Netanyahu has explicitly said that simply releasing the hostages would not end the war genocide. So why would they release them?

Why do people imagine that Israel will act differently from the way they have openly said they will act?

I suspect it matters little.

Hamas are, to a man - dead men walking.

Release or don’t release.

Martymcfly24 · 18/05/2025 22:38

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To be fair Israel is really good at killing women and children too.
And the elderly
And the disabled.
And really small babies.

ScrollingLeaves · 18/05/2025 22:50

Martymcfly24 · 18/05/2025 22:38

To be fair Israel is really good at killing women and children too.
And the elderly
And the disabled.
And really small babies.

Especially as they are armed to the hilt with the most powerful weapons available from the most powerful country in the world and don’t hesitate to use them in vast quantities.

mouthpipette · 18/05/2025 23:01

Especially as they are armed to the hilt with the most powerful weapons available from the most powerful country in the world and don’t hesitate to use them in vast quantities. @ScrollingLeaves

And as a leading manufacturer and exporter of a lot of these, it never does any harm to show to potential customers just how well they work.
Checkout Elbit systems ltd stock price over last 18 months.

mouthpipette · 18/05/2025 23:02

Mind you, share prices in all arms manufacturers have shot up since Ukraine war. Well that's all our pensions sorted.

MyNameIsX · 19/05/2025 04:27

mouthpipette · 18/05/2025 23:02

Mind you, share prices in all arms manufacturers have shot up since Ukraine war. Well that's all our pensions sorted.

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Your pension fund/s will not be investing in the defence sector, don’t worry.

LoremIpsumCici · 19/05/2025 09:26

MyNameIsX · 19/05/2025 04:27

Your pension fund/s will not be investing in the defence sector, don’t worry.

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Rachel Reeves is directing employers to do it.

LoremIpsumCici · 19/05/2025 09:30

@BreezyBertha
Thanks but I’ll pass. There are different interpretations of International Law depending on what your bias is.

There are not different interpretations on what an occupation is or isn’t. The only difference of opinion is whether facts on the ground meet the definition of an occupation.

Besides, the ICJ has ruled that Israel is illegally occupying Gaza and the other Palestinian Territories. There is no higher court in the world. This court specialises in this law and are the final decision authority as to whether a situation is an occupation.

As they have ruled it is an occupation, this is a fact in law as well as on the ground.

LoremIpsumCici · 19/05/2025 09:33

BreezyBertha · 18/05/2025 19:06

Are ‘legal experts’ applying international law when it comes to a terrorist state next door?

Is there even any law on that?

Yes Bertha, there are laws on this. I’m sure you will continue to “pass” on any more links I provide to give you the barest knowledge.

MyNameIsX · 19/05/2025 11:41

LoremIpsumCici · 19/05/2025 09:26

Rachel Reeves is directing employers to do it.

Yes, and a number of major funds have demurred, and will continue to do so. I sat on a round table hosted by a major investment bank a couple of weeks ago, and a significant number of allocators will still not permit investment in defence stocks.

BreezyBertha · 19/05/2025 12:53

LoremIpsumCici · 19/05/2025 09:33

Yes Bertha, there are laws on this. I’m sure you will continue to “pass” on any more links I provide to give you the barest knowledge.

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No, please do provide some links pertaining to international law in this particular scenario that Israel are in. I will find that very interesting.

Thank you.

Icanthinkformyselfthanks · 19/05/2025 13:17

JustGoClickLikeALightSwitch · 18/05/2025 06:55

They are a death cult. Putting Israel in a situation where it overreaches, causes disproportionate harm to Gazans (who Hamas don’t give a toss about), images of Gaza being starved, Israel acting inappropriately - it’s great PR for Hamas. If they returned the hostages that would likely stop. It’s not in their interests.

This.

Icanthinkformyselfthanks · 19/05/2025 13:22

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ScrollingLeaves · 19/05/2025 13:36

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Because of criticising this particular government ruled by an extremist coalition partner?

MyNameIsX · 19/05/2025 13:42

The Wall Street Journal reported that a document found by the IDF in a tunnel showed that Yahya Sinwar, the late Hamas leader, called for an “extraordinary act” to be carried out to destroy the prospects of Saudi Arabia normalising ties with Israel.

The document, dated Oct 2 2023, quoted Sinwar as saying: “There is no doubt that the Saudi-Zionist normalisation agreement is progressing significantly.”
It pointed out that a normalisation deal would “open the door for the majority of Arab and Islamic countries to follow the same path”.

Hence, 7th October.

Israel is right to eradicate Hamas. History will judge Netanyahu if he does not.

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