Israeli movements against Settlements?

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yesterday I had a thread deleted from the Chat section because of inflammatory negative generalisations that I made about Israelis in my opening post. the post was to discuss Louis Theroux s documentary on The Settlers.

there were claims on the thread that the Settlers of nationalist extremists and that not all Israelis support Settlements. from my POV all the Israeli spokespeople and voices I have seen and heard, DO support Settlements. it is my understanding that the vast majority of Israelis support Settlements? I think it isn't accurate to say that it isn't representative of Israelis? DW was an elected mayor and is nominated for a Nobel prize by Israeli university professors so she isn't considered a nutter by mainstream Israelis as far as I can see

other comments on the thread suggested that both sides are as bad as each other. when I tried to explore this I was given a link to an attack on an Israeli family from 2011. but what I can't find is any evidence that it is commonplace for Palestinians to want to remove all Israelis from the land. there is no national movement to do this. the spokespeople for Palestinians just talk about living in peace and having the occupation removed

tldr: I'm genuinely interested in hearing about Israeli opposition to the Settlements and occupation. and understanding what the mainstream Israeli POV is on this? because from the outside it does look like nationalistic religious extremism, at this point

It is- there's talks that Trump is going to visit Israel next week and the plans for Gaza will be presented to him then. I don't see him objecting to it considering his own stance on occupying land that isn't his or his history of appeasement to Putin. With Trump's support there is high probability that Israel will go ahead with this depraved plan.

Or as Netanyahu has called the plan countless time, the plan of 'Total victory'

Do a majority of the population of Israel think it's wrong to appropriate land that other people are living on? Surprising if so.

People who voted for Netanyahu are not terrorists, no.

People who voted for Hamas aren’t terrorists either. Hamas are the terrorists to be clear.

I was responding to the poster having written:
I don’t know a single person in Israel who supports the settlements.

My answer was to say what about Ben Givr who is a force within the present government and leading the way with settlements. Obviously all the voters who voted for the present government know him, even if not as a personal acquaintance, and those who did not vote for this government know he is wielding a lot of power.

Kneecap are clearly a bunch of cunts. As is the Government of Israel.

Hamas on the other hand are a lovely bunch 😂

Does ‘from the river to sea’ not suggest Palestinians want to claim the land from the Israelis? I think they are both fighting over the same land, are they not? So yes, I’d say they do want to remove all Israelis from the land, they just don’t have the means to do it.

So much awful in one room.

Will 7 October turn out to be the most massive miscalculation ever? That invasion has legitimized the worst in the Israeli cabinet.

I think time is running out for Hamas to do the right thing and FO forever.

It is also what the Israeli Likud party ( the one wielding power at the moment) wants. And right now they, the Israelis in power, are actually removing Palestinians from the land, not just saying they want to.

Haaretz today. No doubt revenge for the award winning film No Other Land which is about this area:
Israel Demolishes Most of West Bank Village in Largest Masafer Yatta Demolition Yet

excerpt from the article,

About two hours after the demolition, several villagers began reassembling bricks of one of the ruined structures. Suleiman Dababsa said they were trying to build a shelter for his 83-year-old father so he wouldn't have to sit outside in the wind. "It's cold, so I want to rebuild it for him. He was born here – he's older than the State of Israel. What Israel is doing won't help it; it will only destroy it," he said.

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They are also actually killing, imprisoning and starving the Palestinians by the tens of thousands. Not just saying they want to.

This is the latest plan, and in fact one that could easily mean no hostages are rescued:

Far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich said that in a few months, Israel will be able to declare that it has won the war in Gaza. "What will the image of victory look like? Gaza is completely destroyed.[Gaza's] civilians will be concentrated from the Morag Corridor southwards to a humanitarian area where Hamas and terrorism are absent," and from there, the Palestinians "will start leaving for a third country. Our hostages will have returned home," he said at the Makor Rishon newspaper's conference on settlement.
(Haaretz brief today)

It certainly was for Hamas.

But it proved a wonderful opportunity for some in the Israeli cabinet. During 2023 all their aggression towards Palestinians, and their plotting to overturn democracy in Israel bore fruit.

Now they are refusing a full investigation into the Oct 7 failings.

Many people would disagree with your description of Israel as a liberal democracy.

and many people support hamas, hezbollah and the houthis and celebrated 7/10, I suspect a venn diagram will show some overlap.

@ScrollingLeaves oh yes, but I think if Palestine had the power and means that Israel currently has, they’d be doing the same. They admit it, they say they want to, so why wouldn’t they?

Israel is largely the aggressor but I think if Palestine had the upper hand, they’d be the aggressors. I don’t see an end to it all. It is very devastating for all the civilians involved.

I’m not sure pointing out specific stories to support one side helps. We seen the hostage Israeli women with blood on their trousers, we know Hamas R them. I seen a video of Israeli prison officers R an inmate. There is serious brutality on both sides. They are both committing crimes against humanity.

But the idea that Hamas are the ‘goodies’ is just not true.

I should say a Palestinian inmate.

Of course I agree that Hamas are not good people. They, and the other murdering marauders who joined them, behaved like monstrous savages on Oct 7 and would do more killing if they could. But they do not have the power Israel has, and did not have it on Oct 7. It is extraordinary that the Hamas attack got as far as it did on Oct 7.
An official investigation has conveniently been denied.

Smotrich or Ben Givr has actually said that Hamas was useful - it gives them the excuse to behave as they are doing now. The Hamas attack provided a wonderful opportunity for them to capitalise on.

And yet you still think they're all evil and hope they get hurt...