Israeli movements against Settlements?

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yesterday I had a thread deleted from the Chat section because of inflammatory negative generalisations that I made about Israelis in my opening post. the post was to discuss Louis Theroux s documentary on The Settlers.

there were claims on the thread that the Settlers of nationalist extremists and that not all Israelis support Settlements. from my POV all the Israeli spokespeople and voices I have seen and heard, DO support Settlements. it is my understanding that the vast majority of Israelis support Settlements? I think it isn't accurate to say that it isn't representative of Israelis? DW was an elected mayor and is nominated for a Nobel prize by Israeli university professors so she isn't considered a nutter by mainstream Israelis as far as I can see

other comments on the thread suggested that both sides are as bad as each other. when I tried to explore this I was given a link to an attack on an Israeli family from 2011. but what I can't find is any evidence that it is commonplace for Palestinians to want to remove all Israelis from the land. there is no national movement to do this. the spokespeople for Palestinians just talk about living in peace and having the occupation removed

tldr: I'm genuinely interested in hearing about Israeli opposition to the Settlements and occupation. and understanding what the mainstream Israeli POV is on this? because from the outside it does look like nationalistic religious extremism, at this point

My husband and most of my family are Israeli. I don’t know a single person in Israel who supports the settlements.

Yet 10% of the population live there so at least 1 in 10 Israelis don't just support them they actually benefit from stealing land and resources. Hardly the 'fringe' movement its often described as is it. Being a settler in Israel and stealing land and resources is 10x more common than running a marathon is in the Uk. It's twice as common to be a settler and profit from stolen land and resources in Israel as it is to be a vegetarian in the UK. Most people know a vegetarian or a marathon runner but settlers are a 'fringe' movement 🙄 And that just actual settlers, it doesn't include the people who support and enable them.

Put another way @Mylegishangingoff 90% of the Israeli population do not live in Settlements and so it’s entirely conceivable that most don’t support them.

… and the average family size in the settlements will be considerably larger. 8,9 kids. “Go forth” etc. I think the family in the documentary had 8.

Whatever way you look at it @Twiglets1 it's a lot of people who are actually profiting off Palestinians loss and misery. Theres a lot of minimising goes on when you mention the settlements, I think it's important for people to understand that it is very normal to profit off Palestinian loss or have family who do if you are Israeli, far more so than it is to be a British vegetarian, it's nothing like a 'fringe movement' and it does nobody any favours to pretend otherwise.

And yet the settlers have been enabled by government support for decades. The democratic government.

I watched the programme and on it there were Israelis who are against the settlers who were helping, by their presence, to create a buffer between the poor Palestinians trying to harvest their olives etc and the vile settlers. One criticism I saw of the programme was that not enough time was given to them.

If you saw the award winning film No Other Land, also about the West Bank and the Israelis artificially blocking Palestinians from their land (by the device of calling it a military zone then encouraging settlers), while bulldozing Palestinians’ houses - one of the makers is Israeli.

I wouldn’t want to minimise the negative impact of the Settlers @Mylegishangingoff I saw on the programme how awful they were.

However, I did have to point out that “the Settlers are not Israel but rather a group of extremists” to @Yassnass145 after they said that “The views of people in Israel have been warped by those in power but they definitely do hold these views in majority”.

It’s wrong to assume a majority of people in Israel support the Settlers. We actually don’t know how many do, all we can say is how many Settlers there are.

Well, quite.

How does that opinion go down if they express it publicly (assuming they live in Israel)?

Why? Do you agree with all the things the British government allow or do?

Assuming you live in Britain - don't you think we vote for the party that we most agree with but don't agree with all their policies?

Would have thought that the Israeli government’s acceptance of and support for illegal settlements would be pretty high on any list of voters’ opinions.

I wouldn’t vote for any government that supported such aggressive discrimination and genocidal opinions against people different to me.

This is so terrible to read. Smotrich says all of the West Bank will be annexed this term. I'm assuming that's on the agenda to discuss with Trump who probably won't have any qualms with it

The wat he talks about plans for the Palestinians in Gaza is disturbing.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/smotrich-gaza-will-be-totally-destroyed-within-months-population-concentrated-in-narrow-border-area/

What about Ben Givr who is keeping Netanyahu in power, and has been driving this war, and driving settlements before the war.

Ben-Gvir, 48, was known as a hardline extremist even before he helped Netanyahu form the most right-wing coalition in Israel's history. Burly, bespectacled and outspoken, Ben-Gvir heads the pro-settler, nationalist-religious Jewish Power party.
(Reuters March 18)

I believe he got elected largely due to his strong relationship with Trump. Living in Israel you would feel the need for a leader with powerful allies due to the constant risk of being attacked.

This is occupation and apartheid and supporting terrorism. This is major. Would you vote for a government that did that because you agreed with them on taxes or Green issues? I really feel that you are minimising this and minimising the role that lots of Israelis have had in this over the years whether it is through direct action or indifference.

Yes, minimising at its best. It’s hardly bin collections. This is literally life or death.

No-one would vote for Netanyahu unless they wholeheartedly agreed with his policies in respect of Palestinians.

Presumably, many Palestinians voted for Hamas for the same reason. They’re were frightened by Israel. They’re all branded by many as terrorists, though, when those who voted for Netanyahu are not?

Makes no sense.

What’s that got to do with what this poster said?

They said as plainly as they could that their Israeli family members don’t support the Israeli government.

Even kneecap have actually now stated they don’t support Hamas.

if you can’t see the difference between Hamas and the liberal democracy of Israel - well.

What has kneecap supporting or not supporting Netanyahu or Hamas got to do with any of this?

Chilling. The way he refers to current situation as an 'opportunity'. Awful.

Everyone with any sense is distancing themselves from Hamas.

You’re entitled to your opinion 🤷🏼‍♀️