Anyone watched the Louis Theroux documentary

[Ninerina]

I knew that things were bad for the Palestinians but after watching the documentary I'm so disgusted by the 'settlers' the government of Israel and especially Daniella Weiss.
Palestinians are referred to as savages and camel riders by a rabbi!
Will we get a chorus of how Louis Theroux is anti- semitic now? The usual battle cry of the Israel supporters

Nothing to do with that. I just cannot get over the fact that Palestinian terrorists would stab children, including a three month old baby, to death in their beds and a Palestinian father said he'd celebrate his daughter being a suicide bomber. I believe some of the settlers are extremist, undoubtedly, so are some Palestinians, but the violence from some Palestinians is beyond my comprehension.

I'm not talking about people being better than other people at all, I'm talking about the level of violence and the glorifying of death

You can be pro the existence of Israel without agreeing with everything it does. I am British and proud of it, but I don't agree with everything the UK has done or is doing. There's nuance involved

Your prejudice is so entrenched that you really can't see past it sadly.

And you said "comparatively there's no competition" in reference to supporters of Israel and supporters of Palestine, so i think it's quite clear what you mean.

I feel the same about Britain. I’m proud to be British but don’t think we do everything right by any means.

I wouldn’t have thought many people are completely uncritical about their country.

Ah yes, apologies. I got confused as I'm on two threads about the West Bank

Are you saying you didn't mean to reply with that response to my post when I called you out for calling pro-Palestinians deranged? And I asked you if you think it's acceptable for someone to say the same about pro-Israelis.

If not then what did you mean to respond with?

It is a genocide …..

But this isn't a waste since October 7th. Don't get me wrong I am absolutely appalled at the actions on October 7th but this has been going on since the 1940s and to say it only began on October 7th is really naive. It's also not a war, Hamas are not an army like the British army. Under international criminal law, Israel is an occupying state, they actually don't have the right to defend themselves. They also are not defending themselves, they are systematically targeting innocent civilians - hospitals, refugee camps, areas they are telling people are safe and then bombing them anyway. They've also commited specific war crimes by denying food, aid and water, targeting medical staff and aid workers.
They recently attacked well labeled aid workers, executed them and buried them along with their ambulances. Are you pro that? At what point is enough death of innocent people enough collateral damage?

but this has been going on since the 1940s
Even worst, technically the plan to Colonize Palestine by any means has been going on since the late 1800s.

https://www.nytimes.com/1899/06/20/archives/conference-of-zionists-elect-delegates-at-their-meeting-in.html

"Edmond de Rothschild and Palestine: In the late 19th century Baron Edmond de Rothschild (1845-1934) supported land purchases in Palestine and Israel. His large donations lent significant support to the movement during its early years, which helped lead to the establishment of the State of Israel. In 1899, responsibility for the Rothschild settlements was transferred to form the Palestine branch of the Jewish Colonisation Association, which had been founded in 1891 and thereafter the JCA began to also assist the Jewish settlement in Palestine. In 1924, the JCA branch dealing with colonies in Palestine was reorganised to become the Palestine Jewish Colonisation Association (PICA), under the direction of Edmond's son, James de Rothschild (1878-1957).

https://www.rothschildarchive.org/collections/research_guides/sources_for_jewish_studies#:~:text=Edmond%20de%20Rothschild%20and%20Palestine,further%20information%20about%20their%20collections.

I wouldn’t say these settlers are an extreme fringe when at the start there is an Israeli minister addressing them

Genuinely disturbing that they want to settle Gaza and are pushing their fellow extremist politicians for that outcome. It really brought it home seeing the smoke rise above Gaza from their hilltop. Great documentary in that even Louis Theroux couldn’t ’play along’ (as he often has done previously) with these people.

I have said, not on this thread, but elsewhere on MN I believe in a two state solution and that Netanyahu won't survive the next election. If Gaza can shake off Hamas, and they're already rising up against them, and moderates take over then there'll be very much, I hope, long term peace for everyone. All the extremists need to go.

However, Israel exists. I support its' existence. I support Israelis' right to live in peace same as everyone else. So I can very much say I am pro-Israel. I'm clearly not anti or indifferent to Israel.

You're also confusing a country and leaders. You can support a country while not supporting its leaders.

I just typed out a long response on my phone and lost it 🫣 I'll respond when I've got my laptop

They say Amnesty International are lying.
They say the UN is lying.
They say Al Jazeera is lying.
They say Save The Children are lying.
They say the International Court of Justice is lying.

And now they are coming for our British legend. LOUIS THEROUX.

😂

He is a legend!

But that’s how it goes, anything becomes antisemitic these days. So she is right and didn’t imagine it.

We've had fringe politicians in the UK too. At least a couple in every generation. It would have been very odd if anyone had pretended you could judge a government by whatever George Galloway or whoever was up to on the backbenches.

Similarly, whichever PP pointed out the Rabbi called the Palestinians savages. Fringe Rabbis, Imams, Vicars have always been two a penny in every religion. You can’t judge a whole country by one nasty rabbi, one supportive politician and a group of activist settlers with a deranged female leader.

It would be nice to see to some of the grassroots peace campaigners given some publicity, for once, if only to give us all a smidgen of hope.

It was chilling, and the way her car broke off from the convoy into the wasteland and had to be intercepted by the IDF was bizarre.

Im just perplexed that Louis T gave her so much screen time.

oh yes, what was that about? I don't understand what she was doing when she did that??

I didn't either?

Pushing the boundaries (literally) like a 2 year old, I think.

I don't think LT was being honest. There's a part where Ari(?) says the Palestinians are a death cult and they're dedicated to the destruction of Israel and death of Jews. LT responds with open skepticism.

But hey, aren't you a documentor? Why don't you check out if those claims match the facts, your feelings notwithstanding?

In truth we don't need LT to do that as it's been done time and again by Gil Corey in The Ask Project.

Just find it on YouTube and see how the average Palestinian responds to questions about whether they want peace. Or hear what they mean when they say Free Palestine and what that would mean for Israel.

The average Palestinian hates the Jews and envisons one state named Palestine, judenrein.

If you don't believe me, or you think I'm being hateful, just check out The Ask Project. It's there in the open and has been thus for decades.

The other thing that is always interesting about the Ask project, is that he struggles to get an answer whenever he asks a Palestinian about Hamas. Very telling.

I absolutely second your recommendation. There is years worth of history there. Israeli participants, too, and Arab-Israelis. Lots of insight.