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PollyPaintsFlowers · 01/05/2025 23:04

Although it just sounds like military bluff and bluster. Wasn't Putin threatening to use nukes at some point?

mouthpipette · 01/05/2025 23:05

Why would Iran stop others rising up when they funded the attack? @PollyPaintsFlowers

Iran didn't know about it. If they had have done, they'd have said "Don't do it" and Hamas knew that, so they didn't tell them.
They certainly didn't tell Hezbollah, because they knew they leaked like a sieve.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 01/05/2025 23:10

mouthpipette · 01/05/2025 23:05

Why would Iran stop others rising up when they funded the attack? @PollyPaintsFlowers

Iran didn't know about it. If they had have done, they'd have said "Don't do it" and Hamas knew that, so they didn't tell them.
They certainly didn't tell Hezbollah, because they knew they leaked like a sieve.

Iran knew all about it Secret Documents Show Hamas Tried to Persuade Iran to Join Its Oct. 7 Attack

PollyPaintsFlowers · 01/05/2025 23:11

“Iran bears direct responsibility for the October 7 Attacks,” according to the lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. “Indeed, that point is essentially undisputed. The Iranian regime has openly flaunted its motive for aiding the horrors.”
While it’s not clear what role Iran played in the attacks, a former U.S. intelligence and military officer said in October that the sophisticated tactics Hamas used to attack Israel indicated Iran most likely played a significant role in the multipronged assault.

Hamas attack bears hallmarks of Iranian involvement, former U.S. officials say

In an interview with NBC News, a senior Hamas official denied that Iran supported or sanctioned the operation.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/hamas-attack-bears-hallmarks-iranian-involvement-former-us-officials-s-rcna119400

PollyPaintsFlowers · 01/05/2025 23:15

Hamas’s political leader, Ismael Haniyeh, has openly admitted that Iran provides approximately $70 million per year to his group and, in addition to financing, Tehran has also provided logistical support for weapons development, assistance that helped Hamas produce rockets and drones with sophisticated guidance systems. Iran has helped Hamas smuggle rocket components into Gaza from the Sinai Peninsula and into a subterranean labyrinth of tunnels, where they are then assembled at production facilities operated by Hamas. Tactical training, which would account for the complexity of Hamas’s combined arms siege of Israel, occurred in camps outside of Gaza. Hezbollah trained Hamas militants in both Lebanon and Syria, where terrorists learned how to use motorized hang gliders and storm mock Israeli settlements that had been constructed.

Iran and the 'axis of resistance'

Challenges of Gaza Tunnels | CNN

Gaza’s web of underground tunnels will present a difficult challenge for the IDF during a potential ground incursion. CNN’s Linda Kinkade and Colin P. Clarke of the The Soufan Group discuss.

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/10/22/exp-gaza-tunnels-live-guest-102202aseg2-cnni-world.cnn

ScrollingLeaves · 01/05/2025 23:54

PollyPaintsFlowers · 01/05/2025 23:12

Thank you for the links.

I think a lot was also due to Sinwar as an individual.

ScrollingLeaves · 02/05/2025 00:06

PollyPaintsFlowers · 01/05/2025 08:46

What is Ben-Gvir doing that is stopping Hamas just putting the hostages in a car and dropping them off at the Gaza-Israel border?

They aren’t going to give up the only power they have for no return.

As for BenGivr he more or less said the hostages don’t matter. He relishes the whole war, and can now hope they’ll get Gaza.

CEASE-FIRE: Yehuda Cohen, father of hostage Nimrod , said that far-right ministers Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich are pushing to conquer Gaza instead of reaching a cease-fire and bringing back the hostages. "[Ben-Gvir and Smotrich] want to keep fighting not to break Hamas – Smotrich has said in the past that Hamas is an asset – but to take advantage of October 7, all of the murder, suffering, burning, rape from that day, to conquer Gaza and establish settlements," he said, adding that Netanyahu is delaying the hostages' return for his own political and personal benefit.

(Haaretz briefing yesterday.)

PollyPaintsFlowers · 02/05/2025 04:18

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PollyPaintsFlowers · 02/05/2025 04:18

Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib hits the nail on the head perfectly again. I could recognise a few posters on here who are just as he describes

'We failed the pro-freedom, anti-Hamas, pro-peace Palestinian protesters in Gaza; the terror organization is executing some of them while others are facing harassment from a brutal campaign of repression by the Jihadi organization, which is determined to prevent the emergence of any opposition to its fascistic rule. Some are frantically reaching out to me, asking why I haven’t been able to mobilize greater support for them or obtain resources and backing to enable their growth and expansion. The sad reality is that I have been working tirelessly behind the scenes, meeting with American and foreign politicians, journalists, analysts, experts – some are immensely interested, others less so. Most are paralyzed by a sense of helplessness, even though these demonstrations present a unique opportunity for a serious breakthrough.

Additionally, the so-called “pro-Palestine” movement has entirely ignored and deliberately overlooked these actual freedom fighters, because pro-Hamas narratives and exclusively anti-Israeli sentiments have become widespread in this form of activism. Shame on anyone who didn’t elevate the voices of the forgotten, the voices of the truly voiceless, who are desperate to tell the world about their love for life, peace, freedom from Jihadi Islamist terror, and desire to pursue a prosperous future for themselves and their families.'

PollyPaintsFlowers · 02/05/2025 04:20

ScrollingLeaves · 01/05/2025 23:54

Thank you for the links.

I think a lot was also due to Sinwar as an individual.

I agree, and you're welcome

Whatsinanamehey · 02/05/2025 09:23

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 01/05/2025 09:52

You asked what is stopping Hamas from putting the hostages in a car and driving to the Gaza border. I answered your question. They need a ceasefire to do it safely. They’ve sent numerous messages via the negotiators offering all the hostages in return for a ceasefire (not a temporary pause). For whatever reason no one can agree sustainably and there is currently no ceasefire in place.

You are also ignoring the fact that even when NGOs tell the Israelis where they are going and when and have IDF clearance to drive there in clearly marked vehicles, they still tend to be fired on with missiles and killed. It’s not as simple as just pass a message on and drive there.

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I see you have ignored all of @sugarandspice answers to you Polly, is it because you know she is correct? And instead just moved on to your next bit of copy and pasting from X.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 02/05/2025 09:52

Whatsinanamehey · 02/05/2025 09:23

I see you have ignored all of @sugarandspice answers to you Polly, is it because you know she is correct? And instead just moved on to your next bit of copy and pasting from X.

Israel aren't going to say no thanks if Hamas releases the hostages without condition.

The Nazis lost WW2, they didn't put conditions on their surrender. Hamas can lay down their arms and release the hostages any time they like. They've lost the war they need to surrender

How dismissive you are of Palestinians. I thought you cared? Why do you feel that the lived reality of Palestinians under Hamas is irrelevant in a thread about Palestinians?

Do you have anything to say about the suffering of Palestinians under Hamas? Or are you only bothered if Israel is involved?

Don't you agree it would be better for everyone, as well as better for the chances of long term peace, for Hamas to just release the hostages and go?

Whatsinanamehey · 02/05/2025 10:45

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 02/05/2025 10:11

Oh fuck, that's terrible. It's like the freedom flotilla all over again.

BelleHathor · 02/05/2025 11:26

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 02/05/2025 10:11

They have form for this, from 2010 where 9 people were killed and many more injured.

The fact that the flotilla had to be organised in secrecy as it was calculated that Israel would likely attack.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/may/31/israeli-attacks-gaza-flotilla-activists

Israeli attack on Gaza flotilla sparks international outrage

Israeli navy stormed the Mavi Marmara, the flagship of a flotilla of vessels crewed by pro-Palestinian activists

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/may/31/israeli-attacks-gaza-flotilla-activists

ScrollingLeaves · 02/05/2025 12:33

PollyPaintsFlowers · 01/05/2025 23:11

“Iran bears direct responsibility for the October 7 Attacks,” according to the lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. “Indeed, that point is essentially undisputed. The Iranian regime has openly flaunted its motive for aiding the horrors.”
While it’s not clear what role Iran played in the attacks, a former U.S. intelligence and military officer said in October that the sophisticated tactics Hamas used to attack Israel indicated Iran most likely played a significant role in the multipronged assault.

The US military expert who said Iran ‘most likely’ planned the attack could be miscalculating how extraordinary (i.e out of the ordinary, not normal) Sinwar was. He did not have a usual mind. He seems to have been mad and messianic but also brilliant (that is not meant as a synonym for good). The attack on Oct 7 seems half planned, half extremely haphazard.

Eyesopenwideawake · 02/05/2025 16:22

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 02/05/2025 10:11

Don't worry, the usual suspects will be along to explain that it's all Hamas' fault in a moment.

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findingnibbles · 02/05/2025 16:30

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OhCalmTheFuckDownMargaret · 03/05/2025 07:48

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 02/05/2025 10:11

But what about Oct 7th? 🙄

That was sarcasm before anyone bites.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 03/05/2025 09:00

ScrollingLeaves · 02/05/2025 12:33

The US military expert who said Iran ‘most likely’ planned the attack could be miscalculating how extraordinary (i.e out of the ordinary, not normal) Sinwar was. He did not have a usual mind. He seems to have been mad and messianic but also brilliant (that is not meant as a synonym for good). The attack on Oct 7 seems half planned, half extremely haphazard.

I'll put my faith in a US military expert over a random MNetter. No offence.

Whatsinanamehey · 03/05/2025 10:47

The IDF has faced international condemnation for repeatedly changing its explanation about what happened that day - often only when new evidence has emerged.
Now he's been released, questions remain about Mr Nsasrah's detention, adding to the growing disquiet about the IDFs conduct.

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 03/05/2025 11:18

I'm so glad he was finally freed! I was worried for him. 😢I hope he's doing ok.

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