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PollyPaintsFlowers · 29/04/2025 08:58

Whatsinanamehey · 29/04/2025 08:56

You know people would take you more seriously if you didn't try to distort the truth. You tried to make out that people marched in that area just to provoke Jews when you knew full well that it was in protest against the one lone woman who was harrased and attacked by over a hundred men in that area. Why do you do this? Do you think we don't have access to the Internet or do you really believe the things you write?

Like I said, I can't find anything about that. But you think it's perfectly acceptable. Actual peace seeking Palestinians don't.

Whatsinanamehey · 29/04/2025 08:58

PollyPaintsFlowers · 29/04/2025 08:56

Sounds like just another excuse for a hate jolly. I can't find anything online about it

As usual, you come to your own incorrect assumptions because you can't be bothered to do your own research or it's limited to some random people on 'x' who ofcourse must be saying the full truth 🙄

Whatsinanamehey · 29/04/2025 09:00

PollyPaintsFlowers · 29/04/2025 08:58

Like I said, I can't find anything about that. But you think it's perfectly acceptable. Actual peace seeking Palestinians don't.

You know Al Khatib doesn't represent all Palestinians and it is actually offensive that you are using him as a stick to beat up Palestinians r pro-Palestinians who according to you don't fall in line with his views.

It's like saying Ben Gvir represents all Israelis.

Whatsinanamehey · 29/04/2025 09:01

PollyPaintsFlowers · 29/04/2025 08:58

Like I said, I can't find anything about that. But you think it's perfectly acceptable. Actual peace seeking Palestinians don't.

That's because you didn't bother looking as usual.

I posted the link to the article above

A small group of pro-Palestinian demonstrators, shadowed by a heavy police presence, rallied in Brooklyn on Monday night to condemn the actions of a crowd of pro-Israel counterprotesters who verbally and physically assaulted a woman there last week.
After gathering at Barclays Center, the pro-Palestinian group, which numbered in the dozens, set out for the Chabad Lubavitch World Headquarters in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, the focal point of dueling protests on Thursday where the woman was attacked.
The police filled the streets, with some officers blocking off cross streets by standing in a line while holding bicycles. When the crowd began to drift into the street, a police recording directed protesters to get back on the sidewalk or face arrest.
One man was arrested near the Central Library on Grand Army Plaza shortly before 9 p.m. The protest was otherwise peaceful, and the police kept the group from reaching its intended destination.

Whatsinanamehey · 29/04/2025 09:02

You really should widen your sources if you couldn't find anything from a topic you feel so passionate about. It took me all but 30 seconds.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 29/04/2025 09:04

Whatsinanamehey · 29/04/2025 09:00

You know Al Khatib doesn't represent all Palestinians and it is actually offensive that you are using him as a stick to beat up Palestinians r pro-Palestinians who according to you don't fall in line with his views.

It's like saying Ben Gvir represents all Israelis.

Do the Palestinians mentioned here represent Palestinians? Or would it be less offensive to you if I supported the Palestinians who are pro-Hamas?

Hamas keeps losing Gazans! Thousands of women, children, and men, of all ages, in Beit Lahia, northern Gaza, came out today in anti-Hamas, pro-peace, anti-war protests in which they condemned the terror organization, called for its departure from Gaza and power, expressed pro-peace sentiments and made it clear that they value dignity and life more than martyrdom and death cultism.
In the first clip, a woman says, “We want peace, and condemn terrorism in all of its forms, and want to live like everyone else in the world, in dignity and to be protected from war, death, and annihilation.”
In the second clip, people chant, “for god’s sake, Hamas, get out!” and “We want to live.”
In the third clip, a mother is asking, “Do you really think we are working to raise our children so that they die? No, we raise our children so that they can live.” Critically, she further stresses that, “we are a people that don’t want to live on handouts and aid; we are educated and don’t want incoming and outgoing delegations.” She says that Gazans don’t want to be “beggars but want to be living in dignity like others around the world.”
In the fourth clip, children describe how they yearn for peace and a future that does not entail displacement, homelessness, and don’t want to grow up in war and destruction which Hamas is death cultism has brought upon the Palestinian people in the coastal enclave,” and want to live instead in ‘love and security.’ She discusses her desire for peace and how it is not a sign of weakness.
In the fifth and final clip, children and their mothers chant loudly, “out, out with Hamas, and leave us alone, oh Hamas!”
This is what I mentioned last week as something that I believe is about to become a regular occurrence, as the people of Gaza have had enough of Hamas’s vile and evil terrorism.
The problem is that no one wants to believe that Palestinians in the Strip are capable of independent thought, and to be against Hamas. I was speaking with a group of high-level former US officials about the anti-Hamas protests and the need to back up the local population in their pursuits, to which I was casually told, ‘Don’t expect much to come out of these occurrences.’ This is not to mention the complete blackout by the “pro-Palestine” industrial complex led by the likes of SJP, Mehdi Hasan, Middle East Eye, and all sorts of vloggers and so-called “journalists” in Gaza and beyond whose existence strictly revolves around anti-Israel content.
To me, and anyone with a functioning braincell, these anti-Hamas protestors should be viewed as the ultimate embodiment of real and authentic pro-Palestine sentiments, not Jihadi, pro-terror cosplay that is now the mainstream in the so called, “pro-Palestine” movement in the Western world. It is ironic that there are genuinely and sincerely far more pro-Hamas voices in the United States and Europe than there are in Gaza.
Support the actual freedom fighters of Gaza who are risking it all to make their truly independent voice heard against all odds. Long live the anti-Hamas innocent civilians of the Strip!

Whatsinanamehey · 29/04/2025 09:06

Here we go again with copy and pasting the same old from Al Khatib. Again deflecting away from the fact that you once again made incorrect assumptions and came to false conclusions based on that.

And you don't need to lecture me on peace loving Palestinians or whatever you want to call them when you want to use them, i can guarantee you I know many more Palestinians than you do in real life than one random on X.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 29/04/2025 09:11

I'm sure he'd love to be described as a random on X, it's quite tame compared to the death threats and police protection he needs from the 'pro'-Palestinian side for being a moderate voice and wanting peace. He's not the only one though, shall I share more sources?

I don't know how much research you did but this doesn't look so peaceful Not so peaceful hate marchers

Pro-Hamas protesters in New York are an absolute menace that's not helping draw attention to Israel’s far-right minister Ben Gvir's extremism or issues... | By Ahmed | Facebook

Pro-Hamas protesters in New York are an absolute menace that's not helping draw attention to Israel’s far-right minister Ben Gvir's extremism or issues...

https://www.facebook.com/501837867/videos/1689621225023816/

Whatsinanamehey · 29/04/2025 09:16

I watched the documentary Settlers last night and it was brilliant in highlighting the oppression the Palestinians have been enduring for so long at the hands of Israel. I was discussing it with some friends who didn't know much about the situation in the west bank and they were shocked. They couldn't believe what the settlers would say about the Palestinians so brazenly even though they knew they were being recorded.

Twiglets1 · 29/04/2025 09:16

toffeeappleturnip · 29/04/2025 07:57

It's not Jews or the Jewish religion that is hated, it's the far right Israeli government that is hated and the genocide it is committing and persuading millions of Israeli's that settling within Palestinian communities to push them out is the right thing to do.

This needs to be shouted over and over again so that the people who hide behind the 'anti-semite' banner in order to legitimise the genocide can't use that lame argument anymore.

Do you hate the Palestinian government Hamas as much as you hate the Israeli government?

And there aren’t millions of Israeli settlers in the West Bank. Less than a million I believe. It certainly isn’t something that ever agrees with, there have been protests against it by Israeli people.

findingnibbles · 29/04/2025 09:25

PollyPaintsFlowers · 29/04/2025 09:11

I'm sure he'd love to be described as a random on X, it's quite tame compared to the death threats and police protection he needs from the 'pro'-Palestinian side for being a moderate voice and wanting peace. He's not the only one though, shall I share more sources?

I don't know how much research you did but this doesn't look so peaceful Not so peaceful hate marchers

For anyone who doesn’t have time to watch this video –

There is no violence on display, only people protesting peacefully.

Some protesters are jostled a little by a large group of police at the start of the video, however remain calm.

Mylegishangingoff · 29/04/2025 09:36

PollyPaintsFlowers · 29/04/2025 07:40

Perhaps read the thread then so you do know what you're talking about. The hate marchers went feral for no other reason than they hate Jews. Not the best look is it. How does that garner sympathy and support for Palestinians? Which brings me back to the same question I've been asking, what are 'pro'-Palestinians achieving for Gaza, apart from going on hate filled jollies that are more akin to Hamas than peace activists?

It begs another question too, are these really organic protests, or are they as suspected by some, organised by Jew hating foreign actors. In which case, no wonder governments aren't paying a blind bit of notice. They're starting to see what Israelis have to deal with

You'll have to provide link to what you are on about because your posts havent been very honest about what's happened.

The hate marchers went feral for no other reason than they hate Jews.

The same woman who doesn't know if there is a link between people chanting racist slogans seen chanted in the OPT after speeches given by a convicted terrorist supporter and racist who lives in the OPT and what is happening in the OPT is completely 100% sure that the only reason people might have for protesting people and places that invite racist terrorist supporters to give speeches is that they 'hate Jews'. Alright Polly.

Twiglets1 · 29/04/2025 10:36

Mylegishangingoff · 29/04/2025 09:36

You'll have to provide link to what you are on about because your posts havent been very honest about what's happened.

The hate marchers went feral for no other reason than they hate Jews.

The same woman who doesn't know if there is a link between people chanting racist slogans seen chanted in the OPT after speeches given by a convicted terrorist supporter and racist who lives in the OPT and what is happening in the OPT is completely 100% sure that the only reason people might have for protesting people and places that invite racist terrorist supporters to give speeches is that they 'hate Jews'. Alright Polly.

What's with the "alright Polly" stuff on every post? It's childish.

quantumbutterfly · 29/04/2025 10:43

Twiglets1 · 29/04/2025 09:16

Do you hate the Palestinian government Hamas as much as you hate the Israeli government?

And there aren’t millions of Israeli settlers in the West Bank. Less than a million I believe. It certainly isn’t something that ever agrees with, there have been protests against it by Israeli people.

@Twiglets I didn't think any Israelis were in Gaza, (apart from those held against their will), did you mean the West Bank?

Twiglets1 · 29/04/2025 10:46

quantumbutterfly · 29/04/2025 10:43

@Twiglets I didn't think any Israelis were in Gaza, (apart from those held against their will), did you mean the West Bank?

Sorry, yes I did mean the West Bank (I've reported my post and asked MNHQ to edit it).

quantumbutterfly · 29/04/2025 10:49

Twiglets1 · 29/04/2025 10:46

Sorry, yes I did mean the West Bank (I've reported my post and asked MNHQ to edit it).

Edited

I thought so..., but you know what it's like round here..and of course the IDF are Israelis in Gaza, but I'd bet most of them don't want to be there either.

Mylegishangingoff · 29/04/2025 12:51

PollyPaintsFlowers · 29/04/2025 06:21

What's your opinion on the hate marcher's latest actions in Brooklyn? They weren't even provoked, in fact they went to Brooklyn deliberately to provoke. It's clear to see who's actually feral, to use your language.

Put me in a crowd of Jews or 'Pro-Palestinians' I still know who I'd feel safer with.

Just on this post again, you keep saying 'Jews' like all Jewish people are some kind of monolith. Nobody except you is talking about all Jews. They are talking about specific people who arranged for a man convicted of terrorism support and racist incitement and who openly speaks of his wish to ethnically cleanse Palestine to speak at events. The people who attend those events, The people who feel a counter protest is necessary when people protest against racist terrorist supporters being given a platform in their country to spread their hate. The people who surround lone women and threaten them with rape, assault them and scream racist abuse at them. The people who smash a brick in a womans face. I'm quite sure all of those people aren't Jewish and I'm quite sure all Jewish people don't approve of terrorism, racism and ethnic cleansing.

I'm not sure why you don't think it is a problem that a foreign terrorist supporter with a history of racist incitement is being invited to and is giving speeches to government, to religious congregations, schools and universities in the West. How would you feel if a convicted supporter of Hamas was giving talks in your local schools, universities, government, religious institutions? Would you think the people who protest that are just being provocative?

findingnibbles · 29/04/2025 13:35

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I was talking about the West Bank but typed Gaza by mistake. MNHQ kindly edited my post for me.

toffeeappleturnip · 29/04/2025 15:19

Twiglets1 · 29/04/2025 13:50

I was talking about the West Bank but typed Gaza by mistake. MNHQ kindly edited my post for me.

Ok, that makes more sense.

Anyhoo, I didn't say millions were living illegally in Palestinian areas, I said the Israeli government was persuading millions to go and illegally settle in Palestinian areas.
Almost a million already is quite a huge number of illegal settlers already though.
And the government is now actively endorsing it and refusing to let Palestinans go about their normal daily lives.

It's racism, oppression and now genocide, pure and simple.

Twiglets1 · 29/04/2025 15:34

There are about 700,000 Settlers according to Wikipedia.

Many of the adults will hold extreme views I’m sure. But it’s important not to exaggerate the numbers.

toffeeappleturnip · 29/04/2025 15:37

Twiglets1 · 29/04/2025 15:34

There are about 700,000 Settlers according to Wikipedia.

Many of the adults will hold extreme views I’m sure. But it’s important not to exaggerate the numbers.

I was just going on what you said this morning. 'less than a million'

Twiglets1 · 29/04/2025 15:40

toffeeappleturnip · 29/04/2025 15:37

I was just going on what you said this morning. 'less than a million'

Yes 700k is less than a million. Wikipedia may not be completely up to date but it’s about that number.

ScrollingLeaves · 29/04/2025 18:50

Twiglets1 · 29/04/2025 15:34

There are about 700,000 Settlers according to Wikipedia.

Many of the adults will hold extreme views I’m sure. But it’s important not to exaggerate the numbers.

It is also important to be clear that the settlers have power backed by the state militia to use against the Palestinians at every turn.

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