Why do you support Palestine?

[Wildflowers99]

After the horrific kidnapping of the Bibas family and the horrific murder of the mother and her two small children, the time has come to ask British supporters of Palestine why.

A significant number of Palestinians want Sharia law. This is not a conflict of politics to them - it’s a conflict of religion. Therefore, it’s simply a case of Islam must dominate no matter what. 4 in 10 support the attacks in October 2023, which was the mass rape, torture and murder of Israelis using the most psychopathic methods imaginable - not to mention the kidnappings.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/11/amid-the-ceasefire-wrangling-how-popular-is-hamas-in-gaza-now

While I am devastated by the killing of Gazan children in air strikes, and have always supported a ceasefire, I cannot support any advancing of the Palestinian state because I do not want to further a state with views such as those above.

So, please can I ask why you support Palestine as a state? I find it painful watching people blindly marching and demanding support for a state who are opposed to everything they stand for.

Indeed, Israel still controls Gaza in lots of ways, they never really left

‘minded’ by Israeli

What an interesting way to say oppressed by. Nice way of minimising what has been going on in Palestine for years.
Similar to the poster that said the Oct attack happened in a "vacuum", which just shows ignorance of what has been happening in the region.

Of course they have the right. But I don’t have to approve of it, or support the expansion of their state to further their ideology.

This makes no sense to me. If you genuinely believe that they have a right to self determination, how can you not support the idea of a Palestinian state?

Does the right to self determination depend on whether or not we approve of their choices? I can't really see how that's a right at all.

But in any case, I'm not sure that there is much evidence to suggest that the Palestinian people would actually elect a hardline Islamist government in any case.

Can you see how October 7th was vastly disproportionate?

Well, they did throw a party so I imagine they wanted that attention. A new low, even for a terrorist organisation. Of course Palestinian children's lives are of equal value and there is a lot of attention on that too.

“I support Palestine, because as an Irish person I can sympathise with an oppressed people. “
FFS
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Palestine was inhabited by Semitic people before it was inhabited by Arabs. Like basically everywhere it has been subject to various conquests over history, but I don’t believe it to inherently belong to the Palestinians in the way they seem to. Therefore I see no inherent right to self determination and the creation of a state under Sharia law, which would endanger Israel as well as the Western world in general.

So embarrassing when Irish people like to claim victimhood in this way.
(Irish people don’t all feel oppressed by the way - my relatives are pretty happy with their lot)
We’ve had a pretty rough time in the past but so have many many other countries and communities. Ireland ( unlike most of the world) is now an affluent and safe country. Doesn’t stop some of them whinging though.

I've never claimed to be a victim, I'm not whinging in any way, and there's nothing embarrassing about having empathy.

How is it embarrassing? I'm pretty happy with my lot too, we're not oppressed now but we were for many years, it's OK to sympathise with other oppressed people

I have empathy with Palestinians who have been manipulated, abused and oppressed by their own terrorist government. ( whilst also abhorring the far right Israelis )

You mean like the Jewish people. One single Jewish state and under constant bombardment having been mostly wiped out everywhere else in the world…

No they are oppressed by Israel, fixed it there for you

Not at all. I'm not supporting the creation of a hardliners Islamic state in the slightest. I am supporting the right of the Palestinian people to have a state and to choose how they want to run it. I very much hope that they wouldn't go down the route of creating a hardliners Islamic state, but that isn't really the point.

In the same way, I don't think that the US should stop existing as a country simply because I abhor their current choice of leader and his regime.

You either believe in the values of democracy and self determination or you don't. For my part, I accept that democracy can produce some truly terrible decisions, and that's a risk that we take because it's better than any of the other alternatives.

, and there's nothing embarrassing about having empathy.
Except towards Jews

The Palestinians are Semitic people, in case you didn't know.

Honestly, I think your stance has more to do with Islamophobia than anything else. It seems that you just don't like Muslims very much.

How about the Palestinians being beaten, shot, killed on their OWN land to make way for illegal Israeli settlers? What would you call that?

Read back through my posts. Find one that says I don't have any empathy for Jewish people.

As are Jewish people.

So in your opinion, objecting to the expansion of a regime which carries out human rights abuses is bigotry/phobia?

Yes entirely agree illegal settlement should be stopped but that isn’t really what this is about .. bigger picture here

And is irrelevant to the point I made classic whataboutery

I don't support them.

The few I know who do have gone eerily silent after the press release that those two babies were beaten to death, their mothers body not returned, and the plump happy Palestinian children cheering and dancing at their 'victory' over the battered corpses.