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BBC documentary - children of Gaza

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SmokeRingsOfMyMind · 18/02/2025 20:55

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/feb/17/gaza-how-to-survive-a-warzone-review-these-incredible-children-offer-a-sliver-of-hope

Did anyone see this last night? Heartbreaking and enraging in equal measure.

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Everexpanding · 25/02/2025 13:38

noblegiraffe · 25/02/2025 13:28

Part of the horrendous situation for these children is the grooming into terrorism by the adults in their lives.

We are repeatedly told that Israel’s horrific actions in Gaza are creating the Hamas fighters of the future. How is this happening? Clearly that poor paramedic boy is being groomed. But the documentary apparently doesn’t show that, despite it being a feature of the children’s lives.

How are the actions of Israel creating future terrorists?? Are you serious ???
I think seeing my family being displaced, bombed, my school bombed my neighbourhood destroyed might create some feeling of hatred towards those carrying out the deeds. I imagine someone seeing their child sniped in the street by idf soldiers who then go on to face no prosecution, and having the ambulance that might save their child being blocked from accessing them so they are left to bleed out on their own on the ground, might need feel some animosity and require little in the way of grooming to fight back

Wildflowers99 · 25/02/2025 13:39

noblegiraffe · 25/02/2025 13:28

Part of the horrendous situation for these children is the grooming into terrorism by the adults in their lives.

We are repeatedly told that Israel’s horrific actions in Gaza are creating the Hamas fighters of the future. How is this happening? Clearly that poor paramedic boy is being groomed. But the documentary apparently doesn’t show that, despite it being a feature of the children’s lives.

The terrorism would continue and likely increase even if Palestine self governed. The grudge will never end, the majority want Israel dissolved and to capture the land for themselves, and above all else they view this as a religious war against kafirs.

Wildflowers99 · 25/02/2025 13:40

Everexpanding · 25/02/2025 13:38

How are the actions of Israel creating future terrorists?? Are you serious ???
I think seeing my family being displaced, bombed, my school bombed my neighbourhood destroyed might create some feeling of hatred towards those carrying out the deeds. I imagine someone seeing their child sniped in the street by idf soldiers who then go on to face no prosecution, and having the ambulance that might save their child being blocked from accessing them so they are left to bleed out on their own on the ground, might need feel some animosity and require little in the way of grooming to fight back

Well yes, and the mass murder of 1000 people in the most appalling ways would have the same effect, I should imagine.

The two cannot live side by side in peace, years of negotiations have failed, so what now?

inamarina · 25/02/2025 13:44

Everexpanding · 25/02/2025 13:25

No I am not trying to distract from the real situation if it suits your conscience to think what is presented is all a terrible fabrication by evil Hamas you do you
and all the evil Hamas stuff is wearing, I don’t like or agree with them as repeatedly stated, they may be evil, but monsters don’t exist, they are people and it could be good to reflect on why they exist, not sure even Israel can kill everyone, so maybe better to address some of the issues which allowed their support to increase.

You make it sound as if Hamas were purely a group of annoying activists or something, pushing their cause and occasionally creating chaos, but ultimately harmless.
They are a proscribed terror group.
BBC licence fees really shouldn’t be going towards sponsoring their propaganda videos.

Everexpanding · 25/02/2025 13:44

They can, first step is acknowledging that everyone is a human, and should be treated with basic dignity, stopping carrying out war crimes would help and acknowledging legitimate grievances, bloody difficult to resolve but killing civilians not helping

noblegiraffe · 25/02/2025 13:50

Everexpanding · 25/02/2025 13:38

How are the actions of Israel creating future terrorists?? Are you serious ???
I think seeing my family being displaced, bombed, my school bombed my neighbourhood destroyed might create some feeling of hatred towards those carrying out the deeds. I imagine someone seeing their child sniped in the street by idf soldiers who then go on to face no prosecution, and having the ambulance that might save their child being blocked from accessing them so they are left to bleed out on their own on the ground, might need feel some animosity and require little in the way of grooming to fight back

You entirely misunderstood my post.

And if you don’t think that boy carrying the gun with the Hamas fighter isn’t being groomed by older men, I don’t think you can say you do know what is happening there.

Everexpanding · 25/02/2025 13:54

noblegiraffe · 25/02/2025 13:50

You entirely misunderstood my post.

And if you don’t think that boy carrying the gun with the Hamas fighter isn’t being groomed by older men, I don’t think you can say you do know what is happening there.

Yeah and there are kids growing up on the other side being groomed to hate Arabs and few them as subhuman,

Everexpanding · 25/02/2025 13:56

That should say view, I would also say that those who are traumatised/ orphaned are probably require little grooming

noblegiraffe · 25/02/2025 13:57

Everexpanding · 25/02/2025 13:54

Yeah and there are kids growing up on the other side being groomed to hate Arabs and few them as subhuman,

I didn’t say that there weren’t.

If there was a documentary about them and that wasn’t mentioned, you might think that a bit of an omission too.

LetThereBeLove · 25/02/2025 14:40

Everexpanding · 25/02/2025 13:54

Yeah and there are kids growing up on the other side being groomed to hate Arabs and few them as subhuman,

Proof please. OTOH school books for Palestinian children are full of 'kill the Jews' and the fact that children in Gaza are photographed with guns says it all.

Lolapusht · 25/02/2025 15:07

@Everexpanding so Hamas are evil monsters that don’t exist but because Israel hasn’t managed to kill them all yet they do exist and they are monsters because of what Israel has done which has lead to the increase in support for Hamas and without Israel Hamas wouldn’t exist? They are good people who have been turned into monsters by Israel. That about right?

Do you apply the same rules to Israel’s behaviour ie look at what has been done to them to see why they might do what they do? Or is it just Hamas’ behaviour that you’re willing to excuse and give the benefit of the doubt to?

Lolapusht · 25/02/2025 15:09

Everexpanding · 25/02/2025 13:56

That should say view, I would also say that those who are traumatised/ orphaned are probably require little grooming

As we’re both-siding things, it’s ok for Israeli children who have been orphaned by Palestinians to be radicalised.

Glad we got that sorted.

YogiBear19 · 25/02/2025 15:40

To the poster claiming Israeli children are brought up being groomed to hate Arabs... this is news to me... Last I heard there were well over 2 million Arabs living peacefully and side by side with their Jewish neighbours inside Israel. Last time I heard there was not a single Israeli/Jew living in Gaza... oh aside from those being held against their will as hostages... being tortured, starved etc etc... So kindly fact check before stating false and offensive claims.

inamarina · 25/02/2025 15:48

It’s easy to say: ‘Maybe Israelis should start treating everyone with basic dignity and as human beings first’, that doesn’t mean that many of them haven’t already been doing that.
What about the peaceful Kibbutzniks attacked on October 7th? People who used to drive Gazans to hospital appointments in Israel? Who gave them jobs?
How about treating them with basic dignity instead of trying to slaughter them?

Yocheved Lifshitz, wife of Oded Lifshitz who was being buried today said in her eulogy:
"We fought all these years for peace. Unfortunately, we suffered a severe blow from the people we helped".

ScrollingLeaves · 25/02/2025 15:51

LetThereBeLove · 25/02/2025 14:40

Proof please. OTOH school books for Palestinian children are full of 'kill the Jews' and the fact that children in Gaza are photographed with guns says it all.

@LetThereBeLove
You are asking for proof for this post:
@Everexpanding · Today 13:54^
Yeah and there are kids growing up on the other side being groomed to hate Arabs and few them as subhuman,

@Everexpanding is not wrong.

Listen to this interview by Robert Martin with Nurit Peled Elhanan a respected Israeli Academic ( whose own child was killed by terrorists) who studies this subject.

This is Jewish Voice for Labour writing about Nurit Peled Elhanan:
https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/nurit-peled-elhanan-interview/

This is a video of some Israeli children in a religious school:
Al-Aqsa will disappear and Arabs will be our slaves

This is a Times of Israel article about the teachings of two Rabbis:
Embracing racism, rabbis at pre-army yeshiva laud Hitler, urge enslaving Arabs
Recordings show instructors at settlement academy openly promoting Jewish supremacy; principal says Arabs want to live under Israeli occupation due to their genetic inferiority,
WARNING one even praises Hitler’s ideology.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/embracing-racism-rabbis-at-pre-army-yeshiva-laud-hitler-urge-enslaving-arabs/

ScrollingLeaves · 25/02/2025 15:54

inamarina · 25/02/2025 15:48

It’s easy to say: ‘Maybe Israelis should start treating everyone with basic dignity and as human beings first’, that doesn’t mean that many of them haven’t already been doing that.
What about the peaceful Kibbutzniks attacked on October 7th? People who used to drive Gazans to hospital appointments in Israel? Who gave them jobs?
How about treating them with basic dignity instead of trying to slaughter them?

Yocheved Lifshitz, wife of Oded Lifshitz who was being buried today said in her eulogy:
"We fought all these years for peace. Unfortunately, we suffered a severe blow from the people we helped".

Agreed, absolutely.

There are many Israelis who have been working for peace even after what Hamas did. Think for example of those who tried to protect aid trucks while settlers tried to sabotage them!

ScrollingLeaves · 25/02/2025 15:55

YogiBear19 · 25/02/2025 15:40

To the poster claiming Israeli children are brought up being groomed to hate Arabs... this is news to me... Last I heard there were well over 2 million Arabs living peacefully and side by side with their Jewish neighbours inside Israel. Last time I heard there was not a single Israeli/Jew living in Gaza... oh aside from those being held against their will as hostages... being tortured, starved etc etc... So kindly fact check before stating false and offensive claims.

They are not false claims.

Liv999 · 25/02/2025 16:11

Wildflowers99 · 25/02/2025 13:39

The terrorism would continue and likely increase even if Palestine self governed. The grudge will never end, the majority want Israel dissolved and to capture the land for themselves, and above all else they view this as a religious war against kafirs.

I find this bizarre, the majority of Palestinians want Israelis killed and to capture the land for themselves do they, yet its the Israelis who are doing exactly this in the West Bank day in day out totally backed by the Israeli Governmen ffs

LetThereBeLove · 25/02/2025 16:25

Liv999 · 25/02/2025 16:11

I find this bizarre, the majority of Palestinians want Israelis killed and to capture the land for themselves do they, yet its the Israelis who are doing exactly this in the West Bank day in day out totally backed by the Israeli Governmen ffs

Simply because Israel has the defence system in place that prevents wholesale slaughter of their civilians. Meanwhile the numerous terrorist attacks within Israel (often by West Bank Palestinian) is rarely, if ever, reported in MSM.

inamarina · 25/02/2025 16:40

LetThereBeLove · 25/02/2025 16:25

Simply because Israel has the defence system in place that prevents wholesale slaughter of their civilians. Meanwhile the numerous terrorist attacks within Israel (often by West Bank Palestinian) is rarely, if ever, reported in MSM.

The sheer number of people, both Hamas fighters and civilians, who stormed across the border on October 7th to kill, torture and take hostages showed what they were capable of and willing to do as soon as Israel’s defences were down.

Liv999 · 25/02/2025 16:51

LetThereBeLove · 25/02/2025 16:25

Simply because Israel has the defence system in place that prevents wholesale slaughter of their civilians. Meanwhile the numerous terrorist attacks within Israel (often by West Bank Palestinian) is rarely, if ever, reported in MSM.

So basically what this boils down to is Israel wants the Palestinian land, The Palestinians want the Israeli land, but because Israel has the defence system in place to prevent the slaughter of its civilians they'll be OK, whereas the Palestinians don't have the same defence system so they'll basically have to roll over and watch their land being illegally snatched away

LetThereBeLove · 25/02/2025 16:55

Liv999 · 25/02/2025 16:51

So basically what this boils down to is Israel wants the Palestinian land, The Palestinians want the Israeli land, but because Israel has the defence system in place to prevent the slaughter of its civilians they'll be OK, whereas the Palestinians don't have the same defence system so they'll basically have to roll over and watch their land being illegally snatched away

The Palestinians in Gaza at least have had billions of $$$ given them. Instead of using the funds to protect their citizens Hamas has used much of it to build their underground tunnel city beneath Gaza and fill it with armaments and other warfare with which to attack Israel. Hamas doesn't care at all for the Palestinian civilians it 'represents'.

Liv999 · 25/02/2025 17:02

LetThereBeLove · 25/02/2025 16:55

The Palestinians in Gaza at least have had billions of $$$ given them. Instead of using the funds to protect their citizens Hamas has used much of it to build their underground tunnel city beneath Gaza and fill it with armaments and other warfare with which to attack Israel. Hamas doesn't care at all for the Palestinian civilians it 'represents'.

I'm not talking about Gaza I'm talking about the West Bank, it's bizarre posts on here go on about how the Palestinians want to kill all Jews and want all the Israeli land when in actual fact its happening the other way round right before our eyes, how do you think these people are meant to protect themselves from Israeli terrorists?

LetThereBeLove · 25/02/2025 17:08

Liv999 · 25/02/2025 17:02

I'm not talking about Gaza I'm talking about the West Bank, it's bizarre posts on here go on about how the Palestinians want to kill all Jews and want all the Israeli land when in actual fact its happening the other way round right before our eyes, how do you think these people are meant to protect themselves from Israeli terrorists?

There have been numerous terrorist activities perpetrated by West Bank Palestinians recently in response to unacceptable Israeli settlers actions. Besides partly being an Occupied Territory they have the apparently corrupt Palestinian Authority in charge of some 39% of the West Bank.

Liv999 · 25/02/2025 17:16

@LetThereBeLove I take it you accept there is terrorism on both sides? One side is not a terrorist while on the other side it is just "unacceptable" , having a corrupt Palestinan Authority has nothing to do with it, Israel has a democratically elected government and yet they're still carrying out acts of terrorism on their neighbours

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