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BBC documentary - children of Gaza

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SmokeRingsOfMyMind · 18/02/2025 20:55

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/feb/17/gaza-how-to-survive-a-warzone-review-these-incredible-children-offer-a-sliver-of-hope

Did anyone see this last night? Heartbreaking and enraging in equal measure.

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AnxiousRose · 24/02/2025 11:20

quantumbutterfly · 24/02/2025 11:06

My point was relevant. As Rumsfeld said ' we don't know what we don't know'. We rely on authoritative sources and we assess their bias to form a clearer picture.

There we are, back on track.

Does it make you feel better about yourself when you try to belittle other people?

AzraiL · 24/02/2025 11:21

The uncomfortable truth is that the Palestinians have been living through an apartheid for almost 8 decades. Israel has used Oct 7 as an excuse to slaughter and commit genocide against Palestinian Muslims, Christians, and Jews in their tens of thousands. They have demolished Palestinian mosques, synagogues, and churches that have been there for centures. They have demolished universities and hospitals. They have withheld medical aid, food, and cut off water supply. They have targeted reporters, medical and aid workers. They have killed activists. They have been found guilty of violating the geneva convention again and again. They have broken almost every ceasefure agreement over the last two decades and blamed Hamas. They have used human shields (mainly children). They are an occupying force, and under international law do not in fact 'have the right to defend themselves' They have beenn foubd guilty of war crimes by the International Court of Justice.

They are the largest international harbourer of peadophiles and sex offenders (fact checked by Haaretz, an Israeli publication). They have returned Palestinian bodies sans organs as they harvest them (again, verified by Israeli publications). They have close links to Epstein and child trafficking rings (Rolling Stone).

This is a genocide. No amount of nitpicking a documentary about a child's relationship with Hamas will change that. But if it's documentaries you want, you're welcome to watch the following:

Israelism
Louise Theroux: The Ultra Zionists
No Other Land
1948: Creation & Catastrophe
5 Broken Cameras
Israel vs Israel
The Occupation of the American Mind: Israel's Public Relations War in the United States

You could also listen to Dr Norman Finkelstein, Dr Gabor Maté (both Jewish) or Robert Martin, an Australian activist who decided to travel and witness the goings on in person.

Breaking the Silence is an organisation that publishes the testimony of IDF soldiers recounting their horrific crimes, That is also an invaluable source of insight.

Wildflowers99 · 24/02/2025 11:23

AzraiL · 24/02/2025 11:21

The uncomfortable truth is that the Palestinians have been living through an apartheid for almost 8 decades. Israel has used Oct 7 as an excuse to slaughter and commit genocide against Palestinian Muslims, Christians, and Jews in their tens of thousands. They have demolished Palestinian mosques, synagogues, and churches that have been there for centures. They have demolished universities and hospitals. They have withheld medical aid, food, and cut off water supply. They have targeted reporters, medical and aid workers. They have killed activists. They have been found guilty of violating the geneva convention again and again. They have broken almost every ceasefure agreement over the last two decades and blamed Hamas. They have used human shields (mainly children). They are an occupying force, and under international law do not in fact 'have the right to defend themselves' They have beenn foubd guilty of war crimes by the International Court of Justice.

They are the largest international harbourer of peadophiles and sex offenders (fact checked by Haaretz, an Israeli publication). They have returned Palestinian bodies sans organs as they harvest them (again, verified by Israeli publications). They have close links to Epstein and child trafficking rings (Rolling Stone).

This is a genocide. No amount of nitpicking a documentary about a child's relationship with Hamas will change that. But if it's documentaries you want, you're welcome to watch the following:

Israelism
Louise Theroux: The Ultra Zionists
No Other Land
1948: Creation & Catastrophe
5 Broken Cameras
Israel vs Israel
The Occupation of the American Mind: Israel's Public Relations War in the United States

You could also listen to Dr Norman Finkelstein, Dr Gabor Maté (both Jewish) or Robert Martin, an Australian activist who decided to travel and witness the goings on in person.

Breaking the Silence is an organisation that publishes the testimony of IDF soldiers recounting their horrific crimes, That is also an invaluable source of insight.

They have broken almost every ceasefure agreement over the last two decades and blamed Hamas.

Awwww poor Hamas.

inamarina · 24/02/2025 11:23

OpheliaWasntMad · 24/02/2025 11:16

I think some of the replies on here show why it’s dangerous to depend on only one (biased) source for your information.

Judging by some of the replies on here I can’t help thinking that you could present them with all kinds of sources, they‘d still pick and choose what to believe.

quantumbutterfly · 24/02/2025 11:26

AnxiousRose · 24/02/2025 11:20

Does it make you feel better about yourself when you try to belittle other people?

Was that a personal attack or an observation. Or a derail? 👀

AzraiL · 24/02/2025 11:27

Wildflowers99 · 24/02/2025 11:23

They have broken almost every ceasefure agreement over the last two decades and blamed Hamas.

Awwww poor Hamas.

That's the only response you could come up with? We're talking about innocent civilians being slaughtered in massive numbers, and your response is 'poor Hamas'???

Wow.

Wildflowers99 · 24/02/2025 11:28

inamarina · 24/02/2025 11:23

Judging by some of the replies on here I can’t help thinking that you could present them with all kinds of sources, they‘d still pick and choose what to believe.

Al Jazeera, mainly.

Nobody is saying this hasn’t been a very ugly conflict on both sides.

But Israel exists, will continue to exist and should be able to live in peace without the threat of another October 7 hanging over its head. If they stepped away tomorrow and left Gaza to self govern, what would happen? Would Hamas leave them alone? Of course they bloody wouldn’t. This is an eternal war of revenge as far as Hamas is concerned and they are such deplorable human being their assurances mean less than nothing.

Israel has no palatable options, they are compelled to take the path which best protects their own citizens, like any country.

AnxiousRose · 24/02/2025 11:28

quantumbutterfly · 24/02/2025 11:26

Was that a personal attack or an observation. Or a derail? 👀

Only you know that but I will accept your apology as you clearly know it was wrong.

AzraiL · 24/02/2025 11:29

SharonEllis · 24/02/2025 11:14

This is an outrageous rewriting of history.

It's the truth.

quantumbutterfly · 24/02/2025 11:31

AnxiousRose · 24/02/2025 11:28

Only you know that but I will accept your apology as you clearly know it was wrong.

Edited

I can't control the way a random person on the internet takes my comments of course. I'm not a propagandist.

AzraiL · 24/02/2025 11:31

Wildflowers99 · 24/02/2025 11:28

Al Jazeera, mainly.

Nobody is saying this hasn’t been a very ugly conflict on both sides.

But Israel exists, will continue to exist and should be able to live in peace without the threat of another October 7 hanging over its head. If they stepped away tomorrow and left Gaza to self govern, what would happen? Would Hamas leave them alone? Of course they bloody wouldn’t. This is an eternal war of revenge as far as Hamas is concerned and they are such deplorable human being their assurances mean less than nothing.

Israel has no palatable options, they are compelled to take the path which best protects their own citizens, like any country.

'Israel has no palatable options, so they must commit geonocide and I support them'

There, fixed it for you

SharonEllis · 24/02/2025 11:32

AzraiL · 24/02/2025 11:27

That's the only response you could come up with? We're talking about innocent civilians being slaughtered in massive numbers, and your response is 'poor Hamas'???

Wow.

I think the issue is that almost everything in your post is at the very least contested, some of it complete fabrication so its not possible to have a conversation in good faith.

I just ask people reading to do their research from honest sources

Wildflowers99 · 24/02/2025 11:34

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AzraiL · 24/02/2025 11:37

SharonEllis · 24/02/2025 11:32

I think the issue is that almost everything in your post is at the very least contested, some of it complete fabrication so its not possible to have a conversation in good faith.

I just ask people reading to do their research from honest sources

Edited

It's actually not. It's all verifiable. I have been reading (over the last two decades, not just post Oct 7) articles from multiple different sources (from outside and from within Israel). And I have offered multiple sources in the form of more documentaries, an IDF testimony organisation and also pointed you in the direction of celebrated Jewish physicians/academics who are better informed and have unique insight.

quantumbutterfly · 24/02/2025 11:37

AzraiL · 24/02/2025 11:31

'Israel has no palatable options, so they must commit geonocide and I support them'

There, fixed it for you

This is an interesting literary device isn't it? Deliberately incorrectly summarising a point of view with no nuance or understanding.

AnxiousRose · 24/02/2025 11:40

SharonEllis · 24/02/2025 11:32

I think the issue is that almost everything in your post is at the very least contested, some of it complete fabrication so its not possible to have a conversation in good faith.

I just ask people reading to do their research from honest sources

Edited

Like David Collier?
Oh the irony 😂

AzraiL · 24/02/2025 11:40

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Wow, sick burn. However will I recover? He agreed due to international pressure. But he has shown he has no intention of keeping it. 'Look at my right hand, don't notice what the left is doing', if you will.

AzraiL · 24/02/2025 11:41

quantumbutterfly · 24/02/2025 11:37

This is an interesting literary device isn't it? Deliberately incorrectly summarising a point of view with no nuance or understanding.

It's not deliberately incorrect summary, it's an accurate inference.

Wildflowers99 · 24/02/2025 11:42

AzraiL · 24/02/2025 11:40

Wow, sick burn. However will I recover? He agreed due to international pressure. But he has shown he has no intention of keeping it. 'Look at my right hand, don't notice what the left is doing', if you will.

Do you think Hamas would not ‘genocide’ Israeli Jews if they had the capabilities?

AzraiL · 24/02/2025 11:47

Wildflowers99 · 24/02/2025 11:42

Do you think Hamas would not ‘genocide’ Israeli Jews if they had the capabilities?

Would Hamas exist if the Palestinians had not endured unspeakable oppression?

quantumbutterfly · 24/02/2025 11:47

AzraiL · 24/02/2025 11:41

It's not deliberately incorrect summary, it's an accurate inference.

Accurate is such a flexible word outside science.

I suspect it depends on your bias, and that of course will depend on your information sources and experience. Which is what this thread is about.

OpheliaWasntMad · 24/02/2025 11:47

AzraiL · 24/02/2025 11:40

Wow, sick burn. However will I recover? He agreed due to international pressure. But he has shown he has no intention of keeping it. 'Look at my right hand, don't notice what the left is doing', if you will.

How old are you?

quantumbutterfly · 24/02/2025 11:49

OpheliaWasntMad · 24/02/2025 11:47

How old are you?

I wondered too. Perhaps they were being ironic.

Wildflowers99 · 24/02/2025 11:49

AzraiL · 24/02/2025 11:47

Would Hamas exist if the Palestinians had not endured unspeakable oppression?

Well, IS and other Islamic terrorist cells exist without this kind of oppression, so it’s hard to say. Right now Boko Haram are killing and displacing thousands in Nigeria and I don’t see any marches calling for that to stop.

Wildflowers99 · 24/02/2025 11:50

OpheliaWasntMad · 24/02/2025 11:47

How old are you?

The same age as Tony Hawk I should imagine

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