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BBC documentary - children of Gaza

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SmokeRingsOfMyMind · 18/02/2025 20:55

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/feb/17/gaza-how-to-survive-a-warzone-review-these-incredible-children-offer-a-sliver-of-hope

Did anyone see this last night? Heartbreaking and enraging in equal measure.

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inamarina · 24/02/2025 09:01

AnxiousRose · 24/02/2025 08:53

Well the BBC have said the producers had full editorial control, are you saying the BBC are lying?

Well, BBC decided to pull the documentary, so apparently it wasn’t quite up to their standards after all 🤷‍♀️

AnxiousRose · 24/02/2025 09:02

SharonEllis · 24/02/2025 09:01

How would we know? We are not the journalists doing the interviews and reviewimg the footage, fact checking it and doing due diligence. That was the BBCs job. Thats tbe point.

So you are saying it is untrue and propaganda without any evidence 🤔

AnxiousRose · 24/02/2025 09:04

inamarina · 24/02/2025 09:01

Well, BBC decided to pull the documentary, so apparently it wasn’t quite up to their standards after all 🤷‍♀️

It is not permanently pulled.

Hitherzither · 24/02/2025 09:14

I posted in the early stages of this thread. I was so angry with the BBC for not carrying out due diligence on a prime time news report/documentary. The BBC makes a big point of checking and verifying the facts. It is often late to report news until it has verified the emerging news stories. The BBC is one of the most trusted news sources in the world. It is the most trusted European news sources in in the USA.
@AnxiousRose Imagine what Americans now think of the BBC's reporting of Gaza? . You will have seen how Trump has reacted to the future of Gaza. False reporting does Gazans no favours. It diminishes the impact of real news coming out of Gaza. Government ministers are now questioning the veracity of the BBC as an impartial reporting tool.
Sadly, what the documentary has done is broadcast to a large audience that news stories from Gaza are not reliable. I am not talking about Guardian readers or the people who watch BBB 2 documentaries. Just ordinary people who will note the headlines and register a sense of fake news.
Hamas has done itself no favours with this story. Just as it does itself no favours with the bully boys military style hand over with guns and balaclavas. It does say to the wider audience very clearly that Hamas has huge influence over every day life in Gaza. It says that Hamas is not fit to oversee the rebuilding of Gaza. It says there is no opportunity for a new moderate Gaza party to rise up and take responsibility for running Gaza in a democratic way.
It was an own goal for Hamas just as the quasi military style threatening handovers of hostages is a foolish PR exercise. It plays into the hands of Trump and his plans.
The posters defending the making of the documentary don't seem to see how damaging accusations of fake news are to everyone involved.
I saw the documentary. Life is unbelievably tough for Gazan children but news reporting must be accurate and verifiable if it wants ordinary people to take notice and not just hear the words fake news.

SharonEllis · 24/02/2025 09:16

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David Collier 😂

SharonEllis · 24/02/2025 09:18

AnxiousRose · 24/02/2025 09:17

David Collier 😂

I think its up to you to refute his evidence. Is he wrong? All his sources were in the public domain, unlike the making of the film.

noblegiraffe · 24/02/2025 09:20

AnxiousRose · 24/02/2025 09:02

So you are saying it is untrue and propaganda without any evidence 🤔

You’re claiming that it’s all entirely trustworthy?

The counterpoint to that would be that the BBC didn’t know the narrator was the son of a prominent terrorist and that others involved also have apparent links to Hamas.

You don’t appear to have a counter argument to that.

How am I, a non-expert, supposed to pick up on factual errors in a documentary? I am supposed to be learning from it, not fact-checking it. The important thing for a documentary viewer to know is if they can trust the source.

I don’t appear to be able to trust the source and you don’t appear to be able to offer any reassurances.

AnxiousRose · 24/02/2025 09:20

SharonEllis · 24/02/2025 09:18

I think its up to you to refute his evidence. Is he wrong? All his sources were in the public domain, unlike the making of the film.

By quoting David Collier you have told me all I need to know about you.
And it sounds like you are accusing me of being a Hamas apologist. Is that correct?

AnxiousRose · 24/02/2025 09:24

noblegiraffe · 24/02/2025 09:20

You’re claiming that it’s all entirely trustworthy?

The counterpoint to that would be that the BBC didn’t know the narrator was the son of a prominent terrorist and that others involved also have apparent links to Hamas.

You don’t appear to have a counter argument to that.

How am I, a non-expert, supposed to pick up on factual errors in a documentary? I am supposed to be learning from it, not fact-checking it. The important thing for a documentary viewer to know is if they can trust the source.

I don’t appear to be able to trust the source and you don’t appear to be able to offer any reassurances.

I have said that the documentary is increadibly valuable.

Do you seriously believe everything see is not without bias? You are increadibly nieve to think that.

OpheliaWasntMad · 24/02/2025 09:27

AnxiousRose · 24/02/2025 09:24

I have said that the documentary is increadibly valuable.

Do you seriously believe everything see is not without bias? You are increadibly nieve to think that.

You’re missing the point.
The BBC were not transparent about the bias .
In fairness to you - you are entirely transparent about your bias.

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Hitherzither · 24/02/2025 09:37

I hope no one wants to silence the children of Gaza. Most of all I hate the idea of Hamas trying to silence the children of Gaza. They have done that in this documentary. However wonderful and worthy the children are, they should be free to speak about themselves, not have Hamas officials involved in the choice of children representing Gaza.

AnxiousRose · 24/02/2025 09:39

Hitherzither · 24/02/2025 09:37

I hope no one wants to silence the children of Gaza. Most of all I hate the idea of Hamas trying to silence the children of Gaza. They have done that in this documentary. However wonderful and worthy the children are, they should be free to speak about themselves, not have Hamas officials involved in the choice of children representing Gaza.

Maybe take that up with the Israeli government then.

OpheliaWasntMad · 24/02/2025 09:41

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It wasn’t an attack. Not sure why you say that?
The poster is open about their position and personal bias .

OpheliaWasntMad · 24/02/2025 09:41

AnxiousRose · 24/02/2025 09:39

Maybe take that up with the Israeli government then.

This response makes no sense at all

AnxiousRose · 24/02/2025 09:43

OpheliaWasntMad · 24/02/2025 09:41

It wasn’t an attack. Not sure why you say that?
The poster is open about their position and personal bias .

Yes because this poster has been open and clear in saying they do not support Hamas or the Israeli government.

AnxiousRose · 24/02/2025 09:44

OpheliaWasntMad · 24/02/2025 09:41

This response makes no sense at all

Think about it 🤔

Wildflowers99 · 24/02/2025 09:50

AnxiousRose · 24/02/2025 08:54

I'm still waiting to hear what part of the documentary is untrue?

That’s the point, we don’t know as it’s propaganda. These are men that strangle toddlers and rape women as they cut their breasts off. They will have zero qualms about using any unethical method to further their own agenda.

OpheliaWasntMad · 24/02/2025 09:51

The Israeli government have no control over Hamas . ( in response to @AnxiousRose

AnxiousRose · 24/02/2025 09:53

OpheliaWasntMad · 24/02/2025 09:51

The Israeli government have no control over Hamas . ( in response to @AnxiousRose

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Think a bit more 🤔

OpheliaWasntMad · 24/02/2025 09:55

AnxiousRose · 24/02/2025 09:53

Think a bit more 🤔

Maybe you should try thinking . 😉

Wildflowers99 · 24/02/2025 09:56

AnxiousRose · 24/02/2025 09:53

Think a bit more 🤔

No, you 🤔

AnxiousRose · 24/02/2025 09:58

I already know the answer 😊

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