Do people fully support Palestine?

[Dawk]

I read this article and the scales fell from my eyes a bit: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/11/amid-the-ceasefire-wrangling-how-popular-is-hamas-in-gaza-now

I hadn’t realised that a majority of Gazans want a conservative Islamist state and the complete destruction of Israel to create an Islamic state covering the whole country (from the river to the sea I guess). They also support violence and even the sacrifice of their own lives.

I am appalled by the destruction and loss of life in Gaza, but having read this article I can’t understand why support for Palestine isn’t more caveated. Why are people waving flags and supporting Gaza so unconditionally? When you look at the polling described in the article it seems fairly clear that many/most don’t actually want peace unless it follows the complete destruction of Israel.

For me it’s a bit like supporting Iran. I would never wave the Iranian flag around because of what the country stands for. In this case I am horrified by the scale of destruction wrought by the IDF so support Palestine completely in that respect but I’d never wave the flag or chant the slogans.

If you consider yourself ‘pro-Palestine’, what do you think of the ideology described in the article?

This post is so depressing.

Seems a lot of posters seem to be in agreement with this..

I suggest people read the poll results for themselves. Your interpretation is a little selective. You failed to mention the majority of Palestinian who will only settle for a one state solution, where Israel is wiped off the map. How do you think that would be achieved? Sitting round a table, drinking tea and coming to a nice, reasonable agreement where Israel says 'oh, go on then off we pop" . C'mon, none of us are that daft.

Their understanding of history is pretty selective too! Independence promised but witheld? Come on. How many proposals have they rejected? 7 October was not what I would call a precursor for a plan for peaceful independence

So all the celebrations in London (I live in London) were street performers?

Stop dismissing what I saw with my own eyes as propaganda

You believe that Israel is the Palestinians government? Breathtaking ignorance.

Hamas is the government of Gaza. Not Israel.

And yes. They do live under the oppressive government of Hamas, slaughtering it's own people for such misdemeanors as being homosexual, part of the opposition, stealing aid because their children are starving... etc etc...

The problem is you're posting such wild disinformation, other people read it, don't question it, then before long we end up with anti semitism and hatred. Truth matters.

It's a case of, if the facts don't fit, change them!

Isn’t that like saying the German people in 1939 could seek asylum in the UK because they didn’t want bombs falling on their heads after they invaded Poland and they couldn’t take the retaliation

They too celebrated the invasion of Poland

I'm not sure that they're the one displaying breathtaking ignorance here 😂

Not that it gives a shit, but Israel has obligations towards Gazans as the occupying power, and as the authority responsible for Gaza not having the infrastructure to sustain its population, which would be the cause of people having to leave.

What are you talking about?

Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005. The Jewish Israelis living there were evicted from their homes. Hamas governs Gaza. Hamas is responsible for the infrastructure, education, lawmaking etc. How can you not know this? How can you not even know that you don't know this?

Lalaloveya I'm afraid you're now on the list of people who clearly know so little of the region that it's utterly pointless to engage with you. You'd rather be ignorant and hate. I'm absolutely sure you won't mind ☺️.

its not a fair fight There is nothing anywhere that says war does have to be a fair fight between two equal combatants. If a weaker party wishes to start a conflict with a stronger country, the repercussions on are on them. That is what Hamas have done. And none of this changes the fact that Hamas would murder every Jew in Israel if they could. That is why the Iron Dome exists. To protect Israelis from the genuine, actual genocide Hamas would carry out against Israeli Jews ( and likely Israeli Arabs too as they never spared them on October 7th either).

If you pull the trigger you are responsible for the destruction caused This is an utterly absurd statement. So the allies in WW1 and WW2 are morally culpable for the deaths caused when they defended themselves from Germany? I mean, you have to conclude that from this statement. There was a ceasefire. Gaza was not occupied. 12,000 Jews were removed by Israel from Gaza in 2005 to leave it entirely to Palestinians. And instead of building peace, Hamas prepared for its attack on October 7th. Hamas committed an atrocity of deliberate barbarity. They are responsible for the ensuing deaths. All of those killed and injured would be alive, all of those homes and buildings would still be standing, if Hamas had not deliberately started a war.

Urban wars, which is what Hamas knowingly started, do inevitably high civilian deaths. But this war has a lower civilian to combatant death rate than other urban wars, as Israel have warned civilians to clear areas to be targeted. We would not be seeing the huge number of Gazans returning if they had not been warned by Israel to evacuate.

As well as all of those who are dead being alive if Hamas had not committed October 7th, Hamas could have also stopped the conflict at any time, by handing back the hostages and laying down arms. Think on that too.

It's called the blockade. I know many supporters of Israel pretend it hasn't existed for the last 20 years (in its current form) but it has.

It's agreed under international law that because of the blockade Gaza is an occupied territory.

Please stop telling other posters that they are ignorant given your own obvious lack of knowledge about the situation in Gaza and Israel's role in it. It's embarrassing.

When I watch "innocent Gazans" celebrate on October 7th and shout 'Allah Akbar' with joy, it turns my stomach. Cheering that people were raped at a music festival, families were tortured and murdered in peace loving kibbutz. That babies, children, men and women were taken hostage and some still held hostage.

It reminds me of the islamist terrorists shouting Allah Akbar when they stab and kill people in the west. Totally repulsive.

The video shows the total joy these innocent civilians of Gazan felt on Oct 7th. That is sick.

Do you understand why there was a blockade? It was because Hamas were trying to bring in the weapons and infrastructure that they needed to attack Israel.

Which they succeeded in on October 7th.
Its utterly unbelievable to me that even when the reasons Israel needed to protect itself from Hamas is proved in the terrible bloody atrocity of October 7th, people like this poster still continue in their delusion that it was just because Israel is 'mean' for the sake of being ' mean'.

Honestly I think it's hard to judge either side. If we'd been oppressed for decades by another country, I'm sure many of us would be rejoicing if they suffered at our hands. We simply have no idea what it's like to be a Jew living in Israel or a Palestinian living in Gaza. Their experiences are beyond our wildest imaginations. I've seen equally sickening things happening at the hands of Israeli soldiers too. I don't believe either side is better than the other. Israelis are not better than Palestinians and vice versa.

They tied children and their parents together with wire and burnt them.

At the music festival there was an adult young woman there with her Father. She was severely disabled and in a wheelchair. They had no hope of running or hiding when the Hamas terrorists came. Hamas bound them together and burnt them.

But yeah, Hamas are oppressed, plucky fighters for freedom.

I mean that is totally sick. YET on MN there are constant justification for this 'resistance '. That poor disabled women and her father, deepnlove between them, tortured and burnt to death by people who would happily kill anyone at that festival including their simpering western useful idiot supporters.

I mean, the International Committee of the Red Cross, the UN and a lot of international law experts agree with me. Maybe we're all delusional 🙄

It's really, really not.

It would absolutely be possible for a Gazan to have a valid asylum claim due to risk of persecution from Hamas, without having any fear of Israel at all. This is because Hamas are currently in control of some of the Gaza strip. A Gazan who fears Hamas persecution due to, say, being an Islamic apostate or politically sympathetic with Israel would potentially fall within the ambit of the Refugee Convention. They'd still have to meet other criteria too, of course, as all refugees do.

Ah yes, the International Red Cross which has been actively participating in the grotesque PR trophying of hostages of stages by Hamas. That neutral unbiased organisation. And the UN, that utterly neutral, evidence based organisation. The one that likes to say men are literally women. That evidence based institution that is never captured by political ideology.

Sorry, you have to appeal to actual evidence and facts to convince me. I am not convinced by appeal to institutions, especially not ones that have regularly proved themselves to be susceptible to political ideologies.

None of that matters, Israel gets to do whatever it wants and you don't dare question it, bizarre

This was a wrong decision and all political parties seem to agree here in U.K.

The judge’s father is a supporter of Palestine and was a reporter for the guardian…it’s a v bad move for many, many reasons….it was intended for Ukraine only.

They lost 2 appeals this was the third attempt why are they allowed to keep appealing and who is paying for these appeals? We are becoming a laughing stock

The open shameful racism against Palestinians on this thread is shocking.