Do people fully support Palestine?

[Dawk]

I read this article and the scales fell from my eyes a bit: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/11/amid-the-ceasefire-wrangling-how-popular-is-hamas-in-gaza-now

I hadn’t realised that a majority of Gazans want a conservative Islamist state and the complete destruction of Israel to create an Islamic state covering the whole country (from the river to the sea I guess). They also support violence and even the sacrifice of their own lives.

I am appalled by the destruction and loss of life in Gaza, but having read this article I can’t understand why support for Palestine isn’t more caveated. Why are people waving flags and supporting Gaza so unconditionally? When you look at the polling described in the article it seems fairly clear that many/most don’t actually want peace unless it follows the complete destruction of Israel.

For me it’s a bit like supporting Iran. I would never wave the Iranian flag around because of what the country stands for. In this case I am horrified by the scale of destruction wrought by the IDF so support Palestine completely in that respect but I’d never wave the flag or chant the slogans.

If you consider yourself ‘pro-Palestine’, what do you think of the ideology described in the article?

Wait, I’m confused. Who was expressing their view in an antisemitic way? I’ve read the article and I can’t see any direct quotes from anyone aside from a complainant.

You do seem to get confused about following the subject of the conversation. Obviously I am talking about the placard, which is the subject of this conversation.

@BaMamma You keep on quoting things without referring to whom you are quoting so it’s not clear if you’re referring to what someone wrote on this thread or something else.

@SharonEllis How is it random stuff when you keep on pointing to the actions of Hamas? Which is why I asked that if I can say that Hamas is wrong, can you admit that the IDF and the Israeli government also committed war crimes?

Um she was literally quoting someone.

Try following the actual conversation.

@SharonEllis What conversation are you even referring to?

Im sorry but I don't think I can help you.

Ok so now the conversation has shifted to placards I see. I wasn’t reading every single post as I thought that this was a discussion board and I was responding to something that you had said. In that case, who decides the mood of a rally or a march? That sounds very subjective. Besides the perceived “mood” can change depending on whether someone is observing or if they are participants.

If you dont understand how threads work and cant be bothered to follow the posts in a conversation then Im certainly not wasting my time with you.

This isnt the case at all, over 90% of Israelis have no genetic, or ancestrial links to the region whatsoever. They are mostly of various european heritage. what you have told is a myth that has been circulated by various zionist groups on virtually every site that allows comments. It has no factual basis whatsoever.

They do, The situation wasnt helped by previous Israeli governments, allowing entry to anyone having Jewish heritage when the USSR collapsed.

You are saying that the Jewish people do not originate from the Holy land? Where do you think Judaism originates?

A thread can have multiple conversations going on at the same time. So I’m not sure what you mean by not being bothered to follow posts? There isn’t a singular conversation going on here?

And where do you think the Jewish state should be if not Israel?

To @Questions101

@SharonEllis Why does there need to be a specific ethnostate? Why can’t people coexist instead of renaming countries and shifting people from one place to the next? Why must people be displaced in order to create a state?

This level of 'ignorance' of the history of the Jewish people can only be intentional. Why indeed couldnt country after country not co-exist with the Jewish people? Why indeed did they 'shift' them from one place to the next, including, during the Holocaust, to gas chambers?

I’m not sure what you’re expecting when you’re now referring to historical actions when you just specifically asked another poster where should a Jewish state should be if not for Israel. So I asked you why there was a need for an ethnostate and you’re implying that I’m being ignorant. I believe that there was a country called Palestine which was renamed to Israel so I can understand why the original inhabitants will feel dismayed in losing their sovereignty. Now that there is such a country called Israel since 1940 something, it needs to be held accountable if it is a sovereign state and this is not antisemitic to do so. Therefore if the are borders in Israel then that should be adhered and territorial expansions and illegal settlements should not be taking place. It’s pretty clear that Israel isn’t respecting these borders and people do need the right to defend their homes. The issue here is proportionality when there have been mass levels of destruction.

People should not be living in an apartheid. It’s common sense that people who have lost their freedom and have face genocidal actions, the people who have committed war crimes should be held accountable. I think Hamas should be held accountable and so too should the Israeli government and the IDF.

Are you or are you not denying the right of Israel to exist?

I am not denying Israel’s right to exist. I do not agree with a need for an ethnostate. I believe that Israel as a sovereign state should be held accountable for any war crimes and for its genocidal actions. I think Hamas should be held accountable and so too should the Israeli government and the IDF.

Do you @SharonEllis believe that Israel as a sovereign state should be held accountable? Should the Israeli government and the IDF be held responsible for any war crimes?

I think you'll find many other countries in that region are more similar to an apartheid state than Israel...

FACT Many Israelis have lived in the Middle East and North Africa for generations including when the area was part of the Ottoman Empire. These Jews are known as Mizrahi Jews and have no connection with Eastern Europe at all. Your '90% of Israelis have no genetic or ancestral links to the region' is complete bullsxxt.

@Comedycook More similar to something does not mean it’s not an apartheid? Any sovereign state should be held accountable if it commits war crimes. In order to peacefully coexist, territorial expansions should not be taking place. Mass destruction should not be taking place. There needs to be more accountability in order for there to be any semblance of peace.

@LetThereBeLove Not all Israelis are Mizrahi Jews though?