Are Hamas as thick as they are evil?!

[Newbutoldfather]

After seeing masked, uniformed well-fed Hamas soldiers humiliating emaciated hostages, does anyone even feel a shred of sympathy for them?

Can’t they even understand how bad this looks and what the consequences will be both for themselves and, more importantly, for the rest of the Palestinians?

It would be hard for them to be as thick as they are evil, because they are extremely evil, but I think they might have achieved it…

@onceuponatimelived I haven't discussed that on this thread and your response doesn't make sense as it's not related to anything I've said.

My posts were to let you know Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation in the U.K., and that it's a crime to support them online

'Genocide, genocide, genocide' ........... Oh, but here's thousands of energised, well-fed Gazans in rude health, clamouring with their fully charged smartphones to capture the misery and terror on the face of a tortured and emaciated hostage as he is put through a degrading handover ceremony prior to discovering that his wife, teenage daughters and brother have all been murdered by the very people who are forcing him to behave as if they are doing him a massive act of generosity.

The media coverage of this war has been despicable. Endless footage of crying children in hospital but the complete absence of the thousands of Hamas fighters clearly extant in Gaza, the constant presentation of Palestinian narratives as facts with no attempt at fact-checking or interrogation, the eagerness to ascribe the worst possible motives to Israeli actions without any attempt at context.

There was a Sky News report on the hostage-prisoners swaps two or three weeks ago where Anna Botting went to the home of a family whose teenage son was being held in an Israeli prison for posts made on social media. (I guess the UK can hardly lecture the Israelis for criminalising social media posts nowadays.) She interviewed the father who said that he himself had been in prison for a total of 15 years, the last time for two years after he had been arrested at a checkpoint. It was only at the end of the report that we were told in passing that the father had been in Palestinian Islamic Jihad, a group even more extreme than Hamas. We were never given the facts about whether his son was 13 or 19 (it makes a difference) or whether he really was in prison just for social media posts or what those posts might have been. We never found out why the father had been in prison or why he had been arrested the last time. We basically got an emotionally manipulative narrative straight from the mouth of a jihadist terrorist, from which we were meant to draw parallels between his situation and the situation of an Israeli waiting to discover the fate of their hostage relative, with none of the journalists involved making any attempt to verify his claims or present the full story. The standard of journalism is at best pathetic, at worst complicit.

Just to clarify. You are describing Hamas, proscribed terrorist organisation that committed 7 october as 'a liberation group'? It is illegal to support Hamas in this country.

Israel does not have the trappings of a democracy - it is a democracy.

Trump won not because people were indoctrinated but because his campaign team understood the concerns voters had and spoke to them. Harris' campaign team did not. I cannot stand Trump but he deserved to win. Harris was a crap candidate who ran a truly crap campaign. Trumps team ran a tight, really well targeted campaign.

The fact that you need to call democracy indoctrination when people do no make the choices you think they should, speaks volumes.

Accidental post.

They aren't being obliterated, there is massive population growth. Why don't you look up how the population has increased over the decades?

The people are Gaza are not being served by a dictatorship which takes the billlions of aid they receive and spend it on tunnels and arms and starting wars they can never win (and where they don't let their own civilians shelter in the tunnels from the bombs Hamas provokes on them by starting wars).

You really need to learn more about the ANC and their methods. They were not angels. Just one example:
https://omalley.nelsonmandela.org/index.php/site/q/03lv02424/04lv02730/05lv02918/06lv02938.htm
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1997/05/13/anc-admits-crimes-of-apartheid-era/a8a9d007-4dad-4262-a3c2-b79ef0cf5806/

Terrorists who "win" can re-write their history. It doesn't mean that that history should be forgotten.

Who said they were angels?

I’m certain you would NOT hold this skewed sickening stance on Palestinians if Hamas were the group you relied on to be protecting your children from Israeli terror

This is laughably arse forwards.

Hamas protecting civilians?! By glorying in them being killed in a war they provoked? By refusing to let them into the tunnels Hamas are hiding from the bombs in? By murdering any opposition from their own civilians? By killing gay people?

Insults are not arguments.

No one on this thread has done this. If you have to lie to make your case, you do not have a case.

@onceuponatimelived you are being deleted by mnhq

I'd suggest they do more as @SharonEllis posted

It’s because there are far more Palestinians in captivity than Israelis, this is never mentioned in western media. You might also ask why Israelis are ‘hostages’ whilst Palestinians are always ‘prisoners’.

One of the things I have discovered by doing my research (instead of relying on the media) in the last couple of years, is that the Iranian Revolutionary Guard used to clear minefields by chaining children together and forcing them to walk across at gunpoint. Hamas regards children in exactly the same way as their puppetmasters.

So basically you rely on semantics? You said it was disgusting to compare the ANC to Hamas - both "mainly kill civilians" as do most terrorists so it is a valid comparison. So you think there is a good side who are allowed to kill innocent people and a bad side who aren't? When you pick up a gun your intend to kill people, not have a discussion. That is true of Hamas and it is true of the Israeli government. Trying to tie knots in truth to make one side better than the other is futile. The only reason that Hamas have not killed more Israeli's is because they lack the armaments to do so. The only reason why so many Palestinians have lost their lives is because Israel does have those armaments. Nobody, but nobody, has ever negotiated peace down the barrel of a gun.

Liv999

Nelson Mandela was once thought of as a terrorist. I don’t condone what the IRA did but can understand the anger at the English deciding where to put a boarder in Ireland in the 20th century. I hate Hamas but have huge sympathy for the fact the Palestinians have been treated disgracefully by most of the western world.

^This. Palestine had no part in WW2. Why was it considered legitimate to just take their homeland from them?

Because hostages and prisoners are different things, captured/arrested in different ways and held under different legal/illegal frameworks. Many of the Palestinians have been convicted of crimes. All of the hostages were entirely innocent civilians captured only as bargaining chips & to exert psychological torture on Israelis. Taking hostages is defined and illegal under international law.

How. Many. Times. Do we go over this?

Many thousands of Palestinians are held by Israel on administrative detention without any trial and have not been convicted of anything

The only reason that Hamas have not killed more Israeli's is because they lack the armaments to do so. The only reason why so many Palestinians have lost their lives is because Israel does have those armaments. Nobody, but nobody, has ever negotiated peace down the barrel of a gun

No. The reason Hamas have not killed more Israelis is because the Israeli government has invested in the Iron Dome to protect its citizens. The reason Palestinians have lost their lives is because Hamas continue in a conflict they can never win, and have not invested in protecting their citizens, and even when they do build something they could use to protect their citizens, such as the extensive tunnel system, , they do not let civilians shelter in it but preserve if for Hamas only. And the issue public statements about how they glory in the death of their citizens in a conflict they provoked.

Hamas do not want peace. They want the complete removal of Jews and the destruction of Israel.

Agree. Hamas are a tragedy for Gazans.