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Conflict in the Middle East

Hostages condition on release

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LetThereBeLove · 08/02/2025 10:36

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/02/08/israel-hamas-hostages-released-gaza-latest-news/

The images speak for themselves

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EasterIssland · 09/02/2025 09:24

ArtTheClown · 09/02/2025 09:14

https://x.com/abierkhatib/status/1888335236817457589

This is a good example. Shocking images, right? And whoever the poster is, is claiming this is down to Israeli mistreatment.

The facts though are that he has terminal cancer, and he did receive treatment for his illness. But people see the images, and believe what they want to believe, and the lie amplifies and spreads.
There are similar, many tens of thousands more images that are lied about or twisted, and then similarly amplified.

Do you have a link where it says he’s received treatment for cancer? I saw a post saying yesterday many of those released had illnesses and they didn’t receive the treatment whilst detained. Also, the person you’ve posted denounced he had been tortured whilst he was detained.

Nads0622 · 09/02/2025 09:35

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SharonEllis · 09/02/2025 09:40

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Of course it is. A zionist is simply a person who believes in the existence of the state of Israel. It is completely antisemitic to say zionists control the media.

Decemberdaily · 09/02/2025 09:46

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Zionist is used as a code word for Jews. And Jews controlling the media is an anti-Semitic trope. You’re not fooling anyone here.

I’m not reporting your comment either. Let it stand so people can see.

Decemberdaily · 09/02/2025 09:48

LetThereBeLove · 08/02/2025 10:36

They looked like holocaust survivors.

Nads0622 · 09/02/2025 09:49

Decemberdaily · 09/02/2025 09:46

Zionist is used as a code word for Jews. And Jews controlling the media is an anti-Semitic trope. You’re not fooling anyone here.

I’m not reporting your comment either. Let it stand so people can see.

You would like it to be used as a code word for Jews.but the reality is it isn’t. You can report my comment all you like but the fact is there are many many people from the Jewish community who believe Zionism has hijacked Judaism which is a religion of peace. Some of the biggest supporters of the genocide are American Zionists who are not Jewish .

MissyB1 · 09/02/2025 09:52

Decemberdaily · 09/02/2025 09:46

Zionist is used as a code word for Jews. And Jews controlling the media is an anti-Semitic trope. You’re not fooling anyone here.

I’m not reporting your comment either. Let it stand so people can see.

You really don't know the difference between the words Zionist and Jew?

Decemberdaily · 09/02/2025 09:53

MissyB1 · 09/02/2025 09:52

You really don't know the difference between the words Zionist and Jew?

Not what I said.

Decemberdaily · 09/02/2025 09:57

If you’re going to invoke an old antisemitic trope (Jews controlling the media), and substitute zionists for Jews, then yeah, in that instance I think zionists is being used as a code word for Jews. If you’re using zionists in another context, then sure, I agree it doesn’t automatically mean Jews.

SharonEllis · 09/02/2025 09:59

Nads0622 · 09/02/2025 09:49

You would like it to be used as a code word for Jews.but the reality is it isn’t. You can report my comment all you like but the fact is there are many many people from the Jewish community who believe Zionism has hijacked Judaism which is a religion of peace. Some of the biggest supporters of the genocide are American Zionists who are not Jewish .

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Absolute nonsense. Zionist is often used as a code word for Jew. Just because there are Christian zionists does not in any way detract from the importance of zionism in Jewish identity going back throughout Jewish history. Its there because the Jewish people were essentially a diaspora, removed from tbeir homeland. There is absolutely nothing unpeaceful inherent in zionism and it makes no sense to talk of zionism hijacking judaism. I assume you do not believe in the right of self determination of the Jewish people and dont think the state of Israel should exist. Is that correct?

Nads0622 · 09/02/2025 10:14

Decemberdaily · 09/02/2025 09:57

If you’re going to invoke an old antisemitic trope (Jews controlling the media), and substitute zionists for Jews, then yeah, in that instance I think zionists is being used as a code word for Jews. If you’re using zionists in another context, then sure, I agree it doesn’t automatically mean Jews.

So basically you believe you have the right to change the meaning of a word at any time to suit your agenda !!!
total dystopia !

LetThereBeLove · 09/02/2025 10:20

Decemberdaily · 09/02/2025 09:48

They looked like holocaust survivors.

That was my thought too.😢

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LetThereBeLove · 09/02/2025 10:28

Nads0622 · 08/02/2025 23:41

Any be bothered typing it all out again. Pls read my reply above . Basically both examples of the critical race theory ( look it up !)
explains why Muslims / people of colour are given different labels to whites !

You do know that there are many Jewish people who are people if colour don't you? Not only Muslims. Just saying.

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LetThereBeLove · 09/02/2025 10:31

Nads0622 · 08/02/2025 23:57

Over 100 BBC staff have accused the BBC of bias over the coverage on the genocide . Hardly a conspiracy theory , there’s many people
from
the Jewish community who disagree with Israel’s actions. It’s antisemitic to imply that all Jews support the genocide . Pls take your antisemitic views elsewhere !

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You are the main person on this thread spouting anti Semitic views. Get off this thread.

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dairydebris · 09/02/2025 10:33

Nads0622 · 08/02/2025 23:41

Any be bothered typing it all out again. Pls read my reply above . Basically both examples of the critical race theory ( look it up !)
explains why Muslims / people of colour are given different labels to whites !

I'm at least partly familiar with Critical Race Theory and am really interested in how it relates to this conversation. Please could you explain more?

Nads0622 · 09/02/2025 10:34

LetThereBeLove · 09/02/2025 10:28

You do know that there are many Jewish people who are people if colour don't you? Not only Muslims. Just saying.

I know all too well and also am aware of their horrific treatment in Israel . It wasn’t until recently that some of them were sterilised without their consent in Israel and this is well documented !

Seagullsandsausagerolls · 09/02/2025 10:35

@Nads0622 anti Zionism may not always be antisemitic (the correct legal definition varies on a case by case) but it is in your case. We know what you are you've shown it very clearly. You can use all the "clever" buzz words you want but it's clear as day to your intentions.

Nads0622 · 09/02/2025 10:37

dairydebris · 09/02/2025 10:33

I'm at least partly familiar with Critical Race Theory and am really interested in how it relates to this conversation. Please could you explain more?

Basically it explains why Palestinians are never referred to as hostages but Israelis are. It also explains why Israelis are ‘killed ‘ but Palestinians just die even though there may be evidence of them being shot at point blank.
hind Rajab was described as a Palestinian woman in American news outlets when she’s 6 years old. It seems that even being a child is not a privilege given to the Palestinians .

LetThereBeLove · 09/02/2025 10:38

OccamsShavingCream · 09/02/2025 02:36

Why anyone would believe anything said by brutal savages capable of dragging the naked dead body of a young woman through the streets of Gaza tied to the back of a motorbike, or spitting on and hitting the naked dead body of a young woman being held by her hair while being paraded through the streets of Gaza on the back of a pick up truck shouting ‘God is Great’ (and filming it while cheering), is rather discombobulating to me I must say.

Or savages who take dead bodies of those they’ve murdered hostage. I mean I never heard of that ever happening until this conflict and somehow find that disturbing on a deeper level than even the other atrocities they’ve committed which is saying something. They did this even prior to Oct 7th.

Just putting this here, Palestinians seem to have a long history going back to 1968 of hunger strikes so I wonder if this may be related to the reported state of some the Palestinian detainees suspected of terrorism and convicted criminals released by Israel?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/palestinians-west-bank-israeli-hamas-shin-bet-b1973427.html

The Hamas son guy has also spoken about Hamas torturing and murdering Palestinians suspected of collaborating with Israel while in Israeli prisons and then blaming it on Israel. That’s was his motivation for working with Israel.

I mean I don’t think Israel comes out of this conflict smelling of roses but has any of this mass scale torture, starvation, rape and murder of prisoners, which has reportedly been on going on for MANY years EVER been independently verified by unbiased investigation or witnessed first hand? Obviously there have been cases where there have been convictions for abuse of prisoners so why would Israel convict some but let it carry on on a mass scale? Doesn’t make sense.

Also what age are children being ‘illegally detained’
because most people seeing that word would imagine children of 12 and under not 16,17,18, 19 year olds quite old enough to commit crimes knowing the consequences?

Israel aren’t ‘detaining’ babies and toddlers like Kfir and Ariel are they?

Why are Palestinian parents teaching their kids to throw stones and try to stab the IDF if they know prison conditions are so terrible and they are at risk of torture? There’s plenty of videos online of little kids being encouraged to throw stones. How do the IDF know there might not be an IED?

Is there any actual footage of the IDF deliberately shooting Palestinian children in the head btw and I don’t mean grainy footage without clearly showing who was firing. Do we really think Hamas or the PIJ wouldn’t stoop to that after what they did to children on Oct 7th and how they admitted they wanted the blood of Palestinians to inflame the ‘resistance’?

The propaganda to project onto Israel what has happened TO them is utterly disgusting. I mean FFS comparing the war Palestinians started to the Holocaust as I’ve seen on this site is the lowest thing I’ve ever seen.

Quite why MN gives these despicable thinly disguised anti semitic terrorist supporters a voice I don’t know.

None of them, on a UK site called Mumsnet, gave a shit about the UK mum and her teenage girls barbarically murdered on Oct 7th or discussed putting pressure on the UK government to call for Hamas to surrender and release their father so he didn’t spend 16 months being held hostage not knowing they were dead all along and on his release being told in front of a cheering crowd that his brother had been murdered by the very people who’d held him hostage in front of him. I can’t imagine his pain right now. It must be unbearable!

Plenty of posts about pressuring the government to support a ceasefire so Hamas could rearm though and carry on though.

Even a complete idiot would have figured out by now that this war was started to create a massive global SM campaign to promote hatred of Israel and revive global antisemitism.

Shame on all of you who have fallen for it.

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Thank you for your clear eyed post.

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statsfun · 09/02/2025 10:38

Can I suggest that people might choose not to engage with this derail?

Nads0622 · 09/02/2025 10:39

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LetThereBeLove · 09/02/2025 10:41

You are belittling the term Zionism. It applies to Jews and their wish for a home of their own where they can be safe both in person and from people like you on you on the internet.

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dairydebris · 09/02/2025 10:42

Nads0622 · 09/02/2025 10:37

Basically it explains why Palestinians are never referred to as hostages but Israelis are. It also explains why Israelis are ‘killed ‘ but Palestinians just die even though there may be evidence of them being shot at point blank.
hind Rajab was described as a Palestinian woman in American news outlets when she’s 6 years old. It seems that even being a child is not a privilege given to the Palestinians .

Could you point out to me how CRT explains that?

Agree that it's important to call things exactly as they are which is why I can't agree with calling Palestinians 'hostages' and do agree with calling a child shot in the head 'murder'.

quantumbutterfly · 09/02/2025 10:43

Nads0622 · 09/02/2025 10:14

So basically you believe you have the right to change the meaning of a word at any time to suit your agenda !!!
total dystopia !

Are you one of the people on here trying to change the meaning of the word genocide to suit your agenda.....

EasternStandard · 09/02/2025 10:47

LetThereBeLove · 09/02/2025 10:41

You are belittling the term Zionism. It applies to Jews and their wish for a home of their own where they can be safe both in person and from people like you on you on the internet.

I agree with you