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Conflict in the Middle East

Hostages condition on release

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LetThereBeLove · 08/02/2025 10:36

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/02/08/israel-hamas-hostages-released-gaza-latest-news/

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25milesfromhome · 09/02/2025 00:05

Nads0622 · 09/02/2025 00:00

Pls take your antisemitic views elsewhere ! There’s no room for antisemitism on this thread !

There certainly isn’t, so as there’s only one person here making an antisemitic display of themselves and it’s not me, feel free to follow your own directive.

SharonEllis · 09/02/2025 00:06

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I have never said all Jews support Israels actions. I would never say 'all jews.....' anything. Jews are individual. Many jews criticise Israel all the time and it is perfectly possible to criticise Israel without being antisrmitic. To accuse those accusing you of antisemitism as acting in bad faith is known as the Livingstone formulation. You are changing the conversation to try and distract from the fact that you said zionists control the media which is a classic and obviously unfounded antisemitic trope and I wont engage further with you.⁷

Nads0622 · 09/02/2025 00:11

25milesfromhome · 09/02/2025 00:02

Also, I’m getting the impression that you really don’t know what antisemitism is so maybe you should stop trying to redefine it.

I’m getting the impression your intent on forcing your views on others without respecting someone’s opinions !

OpheliaWasntMad · 09/02/2025 00:20

Nads0622 · 09/02/2025 00:11

I’m getting the impression your intent on forcing your views on others without respecting someone’s opinions !

Some opinions do not deserve respect

Nads0622 · 09/02/2025 00:21

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OpheliaWasntMad · 09/02/2025 00:23

25milesfromhome · 08/02/2025 21:27

When asked by a masked, armed terrorist onstage how he was feeling, Eli Sharabi said he was feeling very happy to go home to his wife and daughters who unbeknownst to him- but obviously not to his captors- were murdered on October 7th. Apparently the first thing he said when he got out of the car delivering him home was "Where are they?" His brother Yossi, who was also taken hostage, was killed in Gaza and his death was announced by Hamas onstage during Eli's release today, to much applause.

We've truly reached a nadir when some posters can look at three emaciated, traumatised men who can barely walk being paraded onstage for a macabre press conference, forced at gunpoint to thank their terrorist captors after 491 days in captivity, holding those fucking certificates of participation, going home to what remains of their families and think that this is the moment to point score. The total lack of compassion or even acknowledgement of the hostages' suffering in the rush to derail this thread is shameful.

This is so true.

25milesfromhome · 09/02/2025 00:23

Nads0622 · 09/02/2025 00:11

I’m getting the impression your intent on forcing your views on others without respecting someone’s opinions !

Well I'm getting the impression you're intent on forcing your antisemitic opinions on this thread.

25milesfromhome · 09/02/2025 00:30

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Huh?

jannier · 09/02/2025 00:43

Ilovemytulips · 08/02/2025 14:26

Whilst they weren't made to take part in videos, many of them were immediately hospitalised because of the terrible conditions they were released in and has been reported on.

Today's release only just magnifies the need to get all the hostages home immediately. This needs to be sped up somehow. I think from a humanitarian perspective we should be able to look at both sides.

Was their hospitalisation reported by an independent variable source or by Hamas trying to even up the score after noticing the difference in appearances between hostages?

OccamsShavingCream · 09/02/2025 02:36

Why anyone would believe anything said by brutal savages capable of dragging the naked dead body of a young woman through the streets of Gaza tied to the back of a motorbike, or spitting on and hitting the naked dead body of a young woman being held by her hair while being paraded through the streets of Gaza on the back of a pick up truck shouting ‘God is Great’ (and filming it while cheering), is rather discombobulating to me I must say.

Or savages who take dead bodies of those they’ve murdered hostage. I mean I never heard of that ever happening until this conflict and somehow find that disturbing on a deeper level than even the other atrocities they’ve committed which is saying something. They did this even prior to Oct 7th.

Just putting this here, Palestinians seem to have a long history going back to 1968 of hunger strikes so I wonder if this may be related to the reported state of some the Palestinian detainees suspected of terrorism and convicted criminals released by Israel?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/palestinians-west-bank-israeli-hamas-shin-bet-b1973427.html

The Hamas son guy has also spoken about Hamas torturing and murdering Palestinians suspected of collaborating with Israel while in Israeli prisons and then blaming it on Israel. That’s was his motivation for working with Israel.

I mean I don’t think Israel comes out of this conflict smelling of roses but has any of this mass scale torture, starvation, rape and murder of prisoners, which has reportedly been on going on for MANY years EVER been independently verified by unbiased investigation or witnessed first hand? Obviously there have been cases where there have been convictions for abuse of prisoners so why would Israel convict some but let it carry on on a mass scale? Doesn’t make sense.

Also what age are children being ‘illegally detained’
because most people seeing that word would imagine children of 12 and under not 16,17,18, 19 year olds quite old enough to commit crimes knowing the consequences?

Israel aren’t ‘detaining’ babies and toddlers like Kfir and Ariel are they?

Why are Palestinian parents teaching their kids to throw stones and try to stab the IDF if they know prison conditions are so terrible and they are at risk of torture? There’s plenty of videos online of little kids being encouraged to throw stones. How do the IDF know there might not be an IED?

Is there any actual footage of the IDF deliberately shooting Palestinian children in the head btw and I don’t mean grainy footage without clearly showing who was firing. Do we really think Hamas or the PIJ wouldn’t stoop to that after what they did to children on Oct 7th and how they admitted they wanted the blood of Palestinians to inflame the ‘resistance’?

The propaganda to project onto Israel what has happened TO them is utterly disgusting. I mean FFS comparing the war Palestinians started to the Holocaust as I’ve seen on this site is the lowest thing I’ve ever seen.

Quite why MN gives these despicable thinly disguised anti semitic terrorist supporters a voice I don’t know.

None of them, on a UK site called Mumsnet, gave a shit about the UK mum and her teenage girls barbarically murdered on Oct 7th or discussed putting pressure on the UK government to call for Hamas to surrender and release their father so he didn’t spend 16 months being held hostage not knowing they were dead all along and on his release being told in front of a cheering crowd that his brother had been murdered by the very people who’d held him hostage in front of him. I can’t imagine his pain right now. It must be unbearable!

Plenty of posts about pressuring the government to support a ceasefire so Hamas could rearm though and carry on though.

Even a complete idiot would have figured out by now that this war was started to create a massive global SM campaign to promote hatred of Israel and revive global antisemitism.

Shame on all of you who have fallen for it.

OccamsShavingCream · 09/02/2025 03:03

And yes I support Trump’s plan to have the US take over Gaza and move Palestinians out of their self imposed hellhole to have the opportunity to live in peace, so Palestinian children have a chance of a normal, safe childhood and to grow up without being radicalised to want to kill Jews, and Israeli children can live without the fear of being murdered by terrorists and sirens signalling another rocket attack.

Report away.

Nothing I’ve said supports terrorism btw but I expect to be banned anyway because questioning the ‘Israelis/Jews are the monsters’ rhetoric is worse obviously.

Seagullsandsausagerolls · 09/02/2025 04:00

White suppremicist groups do not support Jewish people. Every Jewish person is not white.

White people are absolutely labelled as terrorists. Ever heard of Northern Ireland?

Ever been accidentally caught in a show of strength with the paramilitary uniforms, masks and guns? I have, it a chilling experience.

AlteredStater · 09/02/2025 07:26

100% agree with you @OccamsShavingCream even though posting such thoughts on MN seems to guarantee being flamed and becoming an outcast. I'm past caring about that now.

Re the US taking over the Gaza region, I'm not so sure how that would work, it will surely take many years to clean up the area and where are the inhabitants to go in the meantime? I don't see Arab nations queueing up to offer them a temporary home. However something has to be done so perhaps it's at least a plan that can be tweaked.

Ilovemytulips · 09/02/2025 07:38

It's a shame we live in a world where posters are openly condoning ethnic cleansing.

Ilovemytulips · 09/02/2025 07:38

How do you tweak a ethnic cleansing plan?

upinaballoon · 09/02/2025 08:16

How do you do anything at all to help the Gazans without interference from Hamas?

ArtTheClown · 09/02/2025 08:45

We both know by a small number of corporations headed by Zionists !
hardly impartial coverage and they play a huge part in the publics perception of race

This is a disgusting antisemitic trope and the fact that you're emboldened to post it, and then double down and defend it, is disturbing.
I was initially thinking I'd report it, but then I've seen posters denying that there is antisemitism on these boards. Well, they can't deny that now.

Pennina · 09/02/2025 08:45

OccamsShavingCream · 09/02/2025 02:36

Why anyone would believe anything said by brutal savages capable of dragging the naked dead body of a young woman through the streets of Gaza tied to the back of a motorbike, or spitting on and hitting the naked dead body of a young woman being held by her hair while being paraded through the streets of Gaza on the back of a pick up truck shouting ‘God is Great’ (and filming it while cheering), is rather discombobulating to me I must say.

Or savages who take dead bodies of those they’ve murdered hostage. I mean I never heard of that ever happening until this conflict and somehow find that disturbing on a deeper level than even the other atrocities they’ve committed which is saying something. They did this even prior to Oct 7th.

Just putting this here, Palestinians seem to have a long history going back to 1968 of hunger strikes so I wonder if this may be related to the reported state of some the Palestinian detainees suspected of terrorism and convicted criminals released by Israel?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/palestinians-west-bank-israeli-hamas-shin-bet-b1973427.html

The Hamas son guy has also spoken about Hamas torturing and murdering Palestinians suspected of collaborating with Israel while in Israeli prisons and then blaming it on Israel. That’s was his motivation for working with Israel.

I mean I don’t think Israel comes out of this conflict smelling of roses but has any of this mass scale torture, starvation, rape and murder of prisoners, which has reportedly been on going on for MANY years EVER been independently verified by unbiased investigation or witnessed first hand? Obviously there have been cases where there have been convictions for abuse of prisoners so why would Israel convict some but let it carry on on a mass scale? Doesn’t make sense.

Also what age are children being ‘illegally detained’
because most people seeing that word would imagine children of 12 and under not 16,17,18, 19 year olds quite old enough to commit crimes knowing the consequences?

Israel aren’t ‘detaining’ babies and toddlers like Kfir and Ariel are they?

Why are Palestinian parents teaching their kids to throw stones and try to stab the IDF if they know prison conditions are so terrible and they are at risk of torture? There’s plenty of videos online of little kids being encouraged to throw stones. How do the IDF know there might not be an IED?

Is there any actual footage of the IDF deliberately shooting Palestinian children in the head btw and I don’t mean grainy footage without clearly showing who was firing. Do we really think Hamas or the PIJ wouldn’t stoop to that after what they did to children on Oct 7th and how they admitted they wanted the blood of Palestinians to inflame the ‘resistance’?

The propaganda to project onto Israel what has happened TO them is utterly disgusting. I mean FFS comparing the war Palestinians started to the Holocaust as I’ve seen on this site is the lowest thing I’ve ever seen.

Quite why MN gives these despicable thinly disguised anti semitic terrorist supporters a voice I don’t know.

None of them, on a UK site called Mumsnet, gave a shit about the UK mum and her teenage girls barbarically murdered on Oct 7th or discussed putting pressure on the UK government to call for Hamas to surrender and release their father so he didn’t spend 16 months being held hostage not knowing they were dead all along and on his release being told in front of a cheering crowd that his brother had been murdered by the very people who’d held him hostage in front of him. I can’t imagine his pain right now. It must be unbearable!

Plenty of posts about pressuring the government to support a ceasefire so Hamas could rearm though and carry on though.

Even a complete idiot would have figured out by now that this war was started to create a massive global SM campaign to promote hatred of Israel and revive global antisemitism.

Shame on all of you who have fallen for it.

Edited

Totally agree and thank you for this.

Shame too on all those that march on Saturdays (the Jewish sabbath when many Jews cannot counter demonstrate too) who have been taken in by it. Taking up millions of pounds worth of police resources. Marches were being organised while the atrocities of the 7th Oct were taking place. Shame on them.

ArtTheClown · 09/02/2025 08:55

Totally agree and thank you for this.

I agree too, and I think that this determination to believe the very worst propaganda about Israel, the extreme outrage, and the lack of reaction to the most egrarious atrocities elsewhere, all has one obvious underlying cause.

Look how far we've already seen this thread derailed, and those poor starving men were only released yesterday.

Atangledweb · 09/02/2025 09:00

Nads0622 · 09/02/2025 00:00

Pls take your antisemitic views elsewhere ! There’s no room for antisemitism on this thread !

It appears Mn allows the constant derailing and trotting out of anti semitic tropes on this thread.

So many other threads to pick but it had to be this one! We see you.

Atangledweb · 09/02/2025 09:02

ArtTheClown · 09/02/2025 08:55

Totally agree and thank you for this.

I agree too, and I think that this determination to believe the very worst propaganda about Israel, the extreme outrage, and the lack of reaction to the most egrarious atrocities elsewhere, all has one obvious underlying cause.

Look how far we've already seen this thread derailed, and those poor starving men were only released yesterday.

Edited

Imagine if this was any of the thousands of pro Palestine, everyone's innocent, everyone's a victim threads.

Double standards on MN

DoubleShotEspresso · 09/02/2025 09:06

@OccamsShavingCream

Great post.

I am appalled at how all your questions remain unanswered.

I am appalled at the dismissal of posters here, sitewide, just because these poor victims are Jewish. When did such wickedness become so acceptable?

I am appalled at the narrative of all rolling news and media, encouraging what we now see in terrifying levels of antisemitism.

I am appalled at the woeful lack of grasp of history and facts so many posting here hold.

I am deeply appalled at any defence of Hamas. Their terrorist actions are inexplicably supported by so many here who seem incapable of understanding the gravity of what has been permitted to happen pre and post October 7th, or what potential Hamas gain from this ill-informed support.

I am appalled at the volume of posters here, gleefully derailing this thread, even suggesting the innocent Jewish lives lost are in any way justified, their mistreatment acceptable or "to be expected".

I am appalled that anyone posting unchallenged on MN can equate the innocent Jewish children, men and women held hostage with detained criminals, who clearly have been treated with far higher levels of civility & humanity.

So let's be clear: Innocent Jews taken by force from their homes are hostages.
Those Palestinian, largely male, people held by Isareal are prisoners, held due to their criminal/terrorist activities or associations with Hamas.

Atangledweb · 09/02/2025 09:06

OccamsShavingCream · 09/02/2025 02:36

Why anyone would believe anything said by brutal savages capable of dragging the naked dead body of a young woman through the streets of Gaza tied to the back of a motorbike, or spitting on and hitting the naked dead body of a young woman being held by her hair while being paraded through the streets of Gaza on the back of a pick up truck shouting ‘God is Great’ (and filming it while cheering), is rather discombobulating to me I must say.

Or savages who take dead bodies of those they’ve murdered hostage. I mean I never heard of that ever happening until this conflict and somehow find that disturbing on a deeper level than even the other atrocities they’ve committed which is saying something. They did this even prior to Oct 7th.

Just putting this here, Palestinians seem to have a long history going back to 1968 of hunger strikes so I wonder if this may be related to the reported state of some the Palestinian detainees suspected of terrorism and convicted criminals released by Israel?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/palestinians-west-bank-israeli-hamas-shin-bet-b1973427.html

The Hamas son guy has also spoken about Hamas torturing and murdering Palestinians suspected of collaborating with Israel while in Israeli prisons and then blaming it on Israel. That’s was his motivation for working with Israel.

I mean I don’t think Israel comes out of this conflict smelling of roses but has any of this mass scale torture, starvation, rape and murder of prisoners, which has reportedly been on going on for MANY years EVER been independently verified by unbiased investigation or witnessed first hand? Obviously there have been cases where there have been convictions for abuse of prisoners so why would Israel convict some but let it carry on on a mass scale? Doesn’t make sense.

Also what age are children being ‘illegally detained’
because most people seeing that word would imagine children of 12 and under not 16,17,18, 19 year olds quite old enough to commit crimes knowing the consequences?

Israel aren’t ‘detaining’ babies and toddlers like Kfir and Ariel are they?

Why are Palestinian parents teaching their kids to throw stones and try to stab the IDF if they know prison conditions are so terrible and they are at risk of torture? There’s plenty of videos online of little kids being encouraged to throw stones. How do the IDF know there might not be an IED?

Is there any actual footage of the IDF deliberately shooting Palestinian children in the head btw and I don’t mean grainy footage without clearly showing who was firing. Do we really think Hamas or the PIJ wouldn’t stoop to that after what they did to children on Oct 7th and how they admitted they wanted the blood of Palestinians to inflame the ‘resistance’?

The propaganda to project onto Israel what has happened TO them is utterly disgusting. I mean FFS comparing the war Palestinians started to the Holocaust as I’ve seen on this site is the lowest thing I’ve ever seen.

Quite why MN gives these despicable thinly disguised anti semitic terrorist supporters a voice I don’t know.

None of them, on a UK site called Mumsnet, gave a shit about the UK mum and her teenage girls barbarically murdered on Oct 7th or discussed putting pressure on the UK government to call for Hamas to surrender and release their father so he didn’t spend 16 months being held hostage not knowing they were dead all along and on his release being told in front of a cheering crowd that his brother had been murdered by the very people who’d held him hostage in front of him. I can’t imagine his pain right now. It must be unbearable!

Plenty of posts about pressuring the government to support a ceasefire so Hamas could rearm though and carry on though.

Even a complete idiot would have figured out by now that this war was started to create a massive global SM campaign to promote hatred of Israel and revive global antisemitism.

Shame on all of you who have fallen for it.

Edited

💯 it's clear to see on MN on a thread about hostages as well.

Anti semitism is rife

SomethingFun · 09/02/2025 09:14

I’m disgusted by the obvious antisemitism in this dirty little corner of mumsnet. Hopefully it is bots as I’d hate to think there are people with these views in the uk who are thinking they are perfectly acceptable to share because they don’t see their antisemitism or don’t see it as a problem. What a fucking world we live in.

ArtTheClown · 09/02/2025 09:14

https://x.com/abierkhatib/status/1888335236817457589

This is a good example. Shocking images, right? And whoever the poster is, is claiming this is down to Israeli mistreatment.

The facts though are that he has terminal cancer, and he did receive treatment for his illness. But people see the images, and believe what they want to believe, and the lie amplifies and spreads.
There are similar, many tens of thousands more images that are lied about or twisted, and then similarly amplified.

x.com

https://x.com/abierkhatib/status/1888335236817457589