A ceasefire deal has been agreed

[gloriagloria]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c3rwqpj70ert

I really hope this is the beginning of peace and prosperity for both sides.

So give us a reference?

''A total of 33 hostages will be released over the next six weeks, in exchange for about 1,700 Palestinians held in Israel prisons, about 1,000 of whom are from Gaza and were arrested after 7 October 2023 under emergency legislation which allowed detention without charge or trial.''

From the Guardian about 2 hours ago

Innocent people captured in a war can still be POWs. Think of all the innocent civilians captured in WW2 and sent to concentration camps.

My post above suggests they are not POW but 'arrested under emergency legislation'

These activists use the word humanity in reference to the Palestinians but it doesn't apply to Israeli civilians. I'm glad they are finally revealing their true beliefs and ideology. There is no denying it now, their hatred of Israel and Israelis trumps everything. They don't want a peaceful resolution.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you

That feels a bit dehumanising tbh. Prisoner of war, shrug, what can you do. These innocent people have been kept in wholly inhumane conditions enduring torture, starvation, violence and gang rape.

Thanks. Right, so people arrested under emergency legislation, which is quite normal in a war situation when you have been attacked. We have no idea how innocent or otherwise they are. And there is still the question of other 700 or so.

That is not what was implied in my post. Interesting that you see it that way.
How do you think the hostages have been held, inhumane doesn't even begin to describe their experience.

Thats not what she said or implied. It just explains why they did not have a trial. Its completely normal in a war.

Keeping people hostage is “completely normal” in a war, is it? Acceptable ?

The Palestinians were not taken as hostages. They were taken as prisoners of war as it was after the war began.

Oh that’s alright then, I’m glad you cleared up the difference been “hostages” and “prisoners of war”. It almost started to seem that there was a blurry line there, with the lives of some nationalities being worth something, while others are less than human so don’t deserve life and respect and dignity and fair trial.

Hello @Efacsen. I think the G published a list from the Ministry of Justice, detailing the Palestinians to be released. The vast majority were listed as under detention.

You would do well to read about what constitutes a POW and how they should be be treated, under the Geneva Convention.
https://guide-humanitarian-law.org/content/article/3/prisoners-of-war/

They werent being kept hostage which is a specific thing. Its legal to hold people in detention in a war under certain conditions. Organising fair trials in the middle of a war would be quite difficult.

Mysteriously, so many of these Palestinians that were held 'legally' have died during their detention. Some others were released after clear signs of torture.
And the rest have been kept without any access to legal aid or representation.

Palestinians have been locked up illegally in Israel long before October 7...children and adults alike

The Israeli government (rightly so) publicly complained that Hamas did not allow the red Cross to visit the hostages. Whilst they themselves, have not allowed the red Cross to visit and assess the conditions of the Palestinians they have detained without charge from Gaza, which they are legally obliged to do so.

Why would you assume that?

What is the “specific thing” that differentiates a hostage from a prisoner of war?

The IDF solider whose body has just been retrieved ( detained during the 2014 war) was described by the Israelis as a “hostage”. Why not a “prisoner of war”, since that is so normal and acceptable during a war?

Thanks for that. Shame Hamas didn't read it before taking Israeli hostages and starting the war.

I haven't read anything to confirm that most of the prisoners released as part of the deal have been held without trial but the prisoners released at this stage have not been convicted of anything.

The prisoners to be released on the first day of the ceasefire do not include any prominent detainees, and many were recently detained and not tried or convicted.

www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/what-we-know-about-gaza-hostage-prisoner-exchange-2025-01-18/

Because Israel and Gaza weren't at war then?

It’s not a race to the bottom.