A ceasefire deal has been agreed

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c3rwqpj70ert

I really hope this is the beginning of peace and prosperity for both sides.

I absolutely agree with the sentiment however unfortunately it’s really common for wars to ramp up ahead of a ceasefire.

I think as soon as the hostages are back home, Israel will find an excuse to go back to bombing the shit out of Gaza.

Because they can.

I wondered this. If the aim is to get the hostages back and then use the slightest provocation - imagine a teen Palestine throwing stones as remaining IDF soldiers, for example - to immediately escalate a situation to a violent level and then use that an excuse. It wouldn’t be hard to find something, surely, or to provoke for an excuse - or just to lie, of course.

Or does breaking a ceasefire only mean bombs ? Rather than any skirmishes with IDF who remain.

Yes, you are correct.

Lots on the news about the first 3 hostages to be released back to Israel, not a lot of info on the Palestinians in jail without a trial in Israel, who apparently are being released, hundreds of them children.

And why shouldn't they. The negotiation could have collapsed at anytime. Nothing had changed, Hamas we're still firing rockets into Israel.

Your making some massive assumptions and jumping to some huge conclusions based on what. You've already said you think Hamas sound incompetent, but you think their organised enough to round up all the hostages and guarantee their safety over the next six weeks.

Do you honestly believe the lives of those hostages is any more secure, just because there's a ceasefire in place. The risk to those hostages at this moment in time is not Israel. The full responsibility of their lives is in the hands of Hamas and any other armed faction in Gaza. As it has been for the past 15 months.

It takes a second to take a life. Remember Ori Danino, Carmel Gat, Hersh Goldberg-Polin, Alexander Lonanov, Almog Sarusi, and Eden Yerushalmi.

You're right I havent seen any article saying all the prisoners being released were imprisoned without trial - so how do you know this is true?

And yesterday's pro Palestinian rally in London proves that. No longer calling for a ceasefire there were banners stating 'fight back' and Corbyn, with other pro Gaza MPs, made no mention of the hostages at all in speeches at this rally. Shame on them. Supporting terrorism is not a good look and does nothing to pave the way for peace.

There must be some movement of hostages though, at this point? And all the more risky if it isn’t being well coordinated and organised, and taking into account that hostages were killed by the IDF before.

It must be so horrific for the families, waiting and not knowing and also having to know that there were still bombs being dropped all the time, further increasing the risk to life.

What's the point of trying to respond to a remark like this. Blatant prejudice, wild accusations based on nothing but a biased opinion of Israel. Hateful rhetoric.

Well said. Hamas is excused (by some mumsnetters it seems).

What’s to stop Hamas rearming and carrying out another atrocity? And so the whole sorry affair goes round and round and round.

Never gives up her insensitive comments even on a day like today.

It's not up to you if a matter on a thread is closed! There are no personal attacks, except in your mind. Your own attacks are always against Israel, never against Hamas who, in case you've forgotten, began this war (accompanied by other Gazan Palestinians who had previously lived in harmony with their Israeli neighbours) until the massacre and butchery (especially of women and girls) on 7/10/23.

That is a given. There is no doubt in my mind that Hamas will break the ceasefire as they have done so in the past. October 7 was a break in the ceasefire.

That will depend on the wider region & how much they want this to hold I would think. If Hamas's donors fund them and Iran is allowed to rearm Hamas and all those Hamas military commanders and convicted terrorists returning to Gaza under the deal can regroup, terrorise more civilians into joining up & then the only thing stopping them is Israel's defences. Hopefully the Americans & regional powers can stop this. But if everyone pretends that Hamas dont want it all to start up again & nothing positive is put in place to support a Palestinian transition to democracy then nothing will change.

It's been widely reported that around 800-1000 of the prisoners due for release are mainly from Gaza and have been detained [without trial] since 7/10

So, they are prisoners of war. There are no trials for POWs.

What happened in 2014? I saw reference to another “war” earlier, in a news report about the body of an IDF soldier being brought back, after he was taken by Hamas when the IDF went into Gaza in an armoured personnel carrier. It doesn’t sound like there was much harmonious living going on at that point?

Another poster claimed otherwise - not me

You are wasting your time. You can take a horse to water but you can make it drink, as the saying goes.

What's to stop Israel continuing this genocide, i think you meant.

I've read very mixed reports which was why I was hoping for a useful link.

The IDF are posting on X that they are continuing to attack targets in Gaza.

They appear to be innocent people who have been found to have no involvement in Oct 7 who have been held in what by all accounts are torture facilities for the past 15months.