Slovenia Demands Israel's Removal From Eurovision 2025

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https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-12-22/ty-article/.premium/slovenia-demands-israels-removal-from-eurovision-2025/00000193-ed37-da9f-ad9b-ed7f3d140000

Why is a historical piece of factual information "disgusting?"
It can't be genocide because it isn't. Genocide means the complete elimination of a particular race of people. Remember the 6 million?

No, that’s not what genocide means. That’s an example of a genocide that was nearly completely successful by the time the Nazis were defeated. The entire point of creating a new legal definition was to stop something like that - genocide - ever happening again, to anyone. If it had been unique and unrepeatable in the sense captured by the legal definition, there would be no need for a legal definition. My quibble with your argument is that I’m fairly certain you haven’t bothered to do much research other than to find some easily googleable and very shallow material (which has a proper hinterland and scholarship you are clearly totally unfamiliar with) that backs up your very many assertions that you have made here. that boil down to: it is essentially ok and necessary to kill thousands of Palestinians because, variously, it happened to us and it was worse, it can’t be genocide because genocide happened to us and they aren’t really a people, in any case it was empty of a real people until we rocked up and started making the desert bloom, they are all dangerous. And you know some Israelis and are therefore an expert.

If you don't even know the definition of genocide, you really shouldn't be arguing about it as no one can take such points seriously.

I'm a descendent of German Jews so I think I know what genocide means.

From your definition above, you really don't.

By the way, Jesus was not a Palestinian as is being declared by the fashionable keffiyah wearers but a Jew from Judea.

Having family who were gassed gives you some insights.

And yet you got it wrong?

If we are going by that, then holocaust survivors like Stephen Kapos have a greater claim than you. And he, like others have called Israel's actions in Gaza, a genocide.

You must have been really irked by the nativity display in Bethlehem, of baby Jesus wrapped in a keffiyah then. I thought it was a beautiful display of solidarity with the Palestinians.

Please read the definition of what constitutes a genocide.
A genocide is not defined by how many perished but by the intent. This is why what happened in Rwanda is recognised as a genocide.
By the way, there is only one race, the human race. Do you mean ethnicity?

And I’m truly sorry for what happened to your German family @YourAmplePlumPoster

Wrong again.
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jesus/Jewish-Palestine-at-the-time-of-Jesus

I guess people walking around chanting "from the river to the sea" every weekend makes me feel nervous. What do you think "from the river to the sea" means? It means "Judenrein."

What does it mean when Netanyahu uses it?

I get this. Most non-Jews would be surprised at how normal it is for even third or fourth generation British Jews to feel indeterminately "foreign", to have bank accounts in Israel in case of a need for a quick exit, and now (paradoxically) post-Brexit, to have German passports where that is possible, for the same reason. It's awful having to live with a constant, generational sense of not feeling safe. And it's a double and ongoing tragedy that this is now the lived experience of Palestinians, because of the collision of this awful crisis in Jewish history with a typical botched, racist, selfish exit by the British from a colonial territory. Absolutely everyone deserves better than this.

Nobody should feel unsafe here and I'm sorry that you do. It's all abit crappy but I think as a mutual starting point we can atleast agree that there is enough space for BOTH Israelis and Palestinians from the river to the sea.

@Auvergne63 and @YourAmplePlumPoster
Jesus was a Jew born in Bethlehem whilst it was under occupation by theRomans. His parents were observant Jews . They were also homeless refugees for a time and had to flee to Egypt to escape oppression.

I think Jesus would be able to identify with both Jews and Palestinians.

Jesus was a Jew and a Palestinian. One of the sad consequences of the creation of the modern racist state of Israel was to create a binary here where it did not exist before.

Absolutely agreed

To the original point. Unless other countries especially the larger broadcasters agree with Slovenia, I cannot see Israel being excluded. More likely that Slovenia boycotts it and some other countries do.

He was. I think that some scholars believe he was from the Essene "sect" ( I don't like that term because of the connotations it has today) or was influence by their doctrine.

More likely influenced by aspects of their doctrine as he was not separatist or purist” as the Essenes were - he didn’t keep apart from those regarded as the “unclean” ( prostitues, tax collectors,lepers etc)

This is just one of those classic and predictable I/P threads. The left have always sided with the worst "anti-Western" terrorist scumbags. Back in the seventies it was the IRA, Baader-Meinhoff and the Red Brigades. Today, it's Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis. The sight of middle class students marching around proclaiming that they want an "Intifada" is simply pathetic. Fortunately, the British people in 2019 and the American people in 2024 have given terrorist student politics the boot. Far too sensible.