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Conflict in the Middle East

Every war is a war against children.

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Auvergne63 · 20/11/2024 18:38

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2024/11/20/an-a-z-of-the-children-israel-killed-in-gaza

More than 17,000 children have lost one or both parents: by UNICEF
We are witnessing a genocide in real time: by Spokesperson for the Defense for Children International - Palestine
Every day, 10 children lose one or both legs, with operations and amputations conducted with little or no anaesthesia due to Israel’s continuing siege: by Save the Children
Without safe water, many more children will die from deprivation and disease: by UNICEF Executive Director Catherine Russell
Children are more at risk of dehydration, and malnourishment can further speed up the effects of having no water: by UNICEF
Gaza is once again “the most dangerous place in the world to be a child”: by UNICEF Executive Director Catherine Russell

I have no words.

An A-Z of the children Israel killed in Gaza

Israeli attacks have killed at least 17,400 children in Gaza. That is one child killed every 30 minutes.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2024/11/20/an-a-z-of-the-children-israel-killed-in-gaza

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Dulra · 20/11/2024 21:22

Yes, war is terrible

They are massacres and genocides all horrific and all demonstrating how women and children are disproportionately impacted.

GreyTS · 20/11/2024 21:23

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Dulra · 20/11/2024 21:26

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Agree, sharing links to atrocities to make some sick point not out of any real concern for these people either

Oodiks · 20/11/2024 21:26

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Why do you think what's happening in Gaza deserves more attention that the other atrocities I linked to? Do you see Israel as uniquely evil?

Oodiks · 20/11/2024 21:27

Dulra · 20/11/2024 21:26

Agree, sharing links to atrocities to make some sick point not out of any real concern for these people either

That's a wild claim!!

Auvergne63 · 20/11/2024 21:38

It didn't take long, didn't? Please, this thread is about the appalling death toll of children in Gaza.
More women and children have been killed in Gaza by the Israeli military over the past year than the equivalent period of any other conflict over the past two decades.
Frankly, if you can't acknowledge this horrifying fact, then I do not wish to engage with you.
https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/more-women-and-children-killed-gaza-israeli-military-any-other-recent-conflict

More women and children killed in Gaza by Israeli military than any other recent conflict in a single year – Oxfam | Oxfam International

https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/more-women-and-children-killed-gaza-israeli-military-any-other-recent-conflict

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Kakeandkake · 20/11/2024 21:40

Oodiks · 20/11/2024 21:26

Why do you think what's happening in Gaza deserves more attention that the other atrocities I linked to? Do you see Israel as uniquely evil?

We can all see what you are doing, deflect, deflect and deflect again. If the aim of your posts is to minimise Israel's genocide then it's not working.

LoremIpsumCici · 20/11/2024 21:41

Did you even read your links?

Turkey & Syria water, 100 strikes over 5 years have affected water supply to 1 million. But hey, it’s ok as water is being taken in by hundreds of tankers every day. Gaza had water shut off in 1 day to 2.2 million, and over 100 strikes in a matter of days. And wow, with only 37 aid trucks for ALL types of aid getting in per day there is no where near as much water for twice as many Gazans.

Sudan war, 26k directly killed and estimated 35k indirectly killed. Pales in comparison to Gaza’s 44k directly killed and estimated 186k indirectly killdd

Myanamar (declared genocide) massacre, ah isn’t it great they got to flee and many have escaped. Unlike Gazans who are trapped.

Malala- on Afghanistan and Taliban…not even a war! No idea why you included this. Is loss of rights a fate worse than death?

But anyway, Gaza has everything you listed in these other wars & one genocide, which makes Gaza the worst of the bunch and our government is complicit in it, and THAT is why it deserves the focus.

PeasfullPerson · 20/11/2024 21:59

What is happening to the children in Gaza is heartbreaking, children always deserve to be protected. There is something very wrong with anyone who thinks it’s justified to do this to them.

Kakeandkake · 20/11/2024 22:08

Did you even read your links?

I doubt they did, it was shamelessly capitalising on other tragedies in an attempt to deflect from what Israel is doing.

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 20/11/2024 22:26

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Agreed. Well said.

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 20/11/2024 22:29

Kakeandkake · 20/11/2024 22:08

Did you even read your links?

I doubt they did, it was shamelessly capitalising on other tragedies in an attempt to deflect from what Israel is doing.

Exactly. If Oodiks really cared about these tragedies, they wouldn't be using them to deflect what's going on in Gaza.

Lalaloveya · 20/11/2024 22:36

I'm so sad reading this report. I can't believe my eyes when I read the lines about all those children losing limbs and being operated on without anesthesia, and all the children who have lost their parents and families. And of course all the little children who've been murdered. It's barbarism.

@Oodiks your post is absolutely shameful. Where's your humanity?

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 20/11/2024 22:41

This thread is about Gaza. If you really care about what's happening in these places, feel free to make your own thread if you wish to discuss it. I noticed these atrocities don't get a mention unless the discussion is a about Gaza, so I doubt you care at all. You only care about them as a means to deflect from Gaza yet again.

OppsUpsSide · 20/11/2024 22:42

Gaza doesn’t deserve the focus, the children of Gaza deserve as much compassion as any child caught in conflict.
i don’t understand how you can be so dismissive as to say things like
ah isn’t it great they got to flee and many have escaped. about a recognised genocide
and simultaneously declare you have some kind of moral high ground. There is no moral high ground in standing in privilege and shouting a decree about which child suffering through war deserves more ‘focus’. This is why it is hard not to be suspicious that your motives go beyond concern for the innocent victims of war - if that truly what is behind your outrage/compassion, how could you differentiate between the children caught in genocides and conflict.

Daftasabroom · 20/11/2024 22:49

Oodiks · 20/11/2024 21:26

Why do you think what's happening in Gaza deserves more attention that the other atrocities I linked to? Do you see Israel as uniquely evil?

The way it is being supported by Western nations - especially relevant as one of those is our own government. Yes.

The way that the state of Israel was imposed on the incumbent population by those same Western nations. Yes.

The way it has the potential to escalate to a regional or global war, and is already heavily influencing global geopolitics.

Yes the genocide and ethnic cleansing in Gaza is pretty unique.

EasterIssland · 20/11/2024 22:51

Oodiks · 20/11/2024 21:26

Why do you think what's happening in Gaza deserves more attention that the other atrocities I linked to? Do you see Israel as uniquely evil?

Same way some terrorist attacks take more media than others id say as well. Why some of the victims of a terrorist attack deserves more attention than other ones ?

Westofeasttoday · 20/11/2024 22:52

Every child is precious. Every child. No matter Palestinian, Israeli, Syrian, Ukrainian etc.

I will always be against any action where children are killed, maimed etc. (obviously). This is horrific and humanity at its worst. Narrowing blame on certain governments or groups isn’t for me.

This isn’t limited to one geographical place as EVERY child matters. Every child.

LoremIpsumCici · 20/11/2024 22:53

OppsUpsSide · 20/11/2024 22:42

Gaza doesn’t deserve the focus, the children of Gaza deserve as much compassion as any child caught in conflict.
i don’t understand how you can be so dismissive as to say things like
ah isn’t it great they got to flee and many have escaped. about a recognised genocide
and simultaneously declare you have some kind of moral high ground. There is no moral high ground in standing in privilege and shouting a decree about which child suffering through war deserves more ‘focus’. This is why it is hard not to be suspicious that your motives go beyond concern for the innocent victims of war - if that truly what is behind your outrage/compassion, how could you differentiate between the children caught in genocides and conflict.

Gazan children deserve the same as the other children in the other conflicts commensurate with the danger they are in and dependent on whether our government is either trying to help those children (in all the cases except for Gaza) or complicit in killing and maiming them (in the case of Gaza).

Yes it is pertinent that many Myanamar civilians caught up in the genocide had the opportunity to flee, unlike Gazans.

Why would you want to pretend that the reality of just how bad the suffering is isn’t a factor on how much focus should be put on a conflict?

Saying every conflict has the exact same suffering so the focus should be equal is immoral imho. Genocides deserve more focus than wars which deserve more focus than loss of civil rights.

And when our government is fighting against suffering in all but one of the genocides/war, then of course the genocide our government is supporting should get focus from activism so they do the right thing- save and help children instead of selling weapons that will keep killing and maiming them.

ConstanceM · 20/11/2024 22:56

This is an Israeli land grab and to call it self defence at this stage is a sick joke. This will shame the UK for many decades to come and Sunak & Starmer will have to answer for their crimes of supplying weapons to a murderers defying international law and we have the gall to call out China and South Korea supporting Russia. Our hypocrisy is insane. Israel are genocidal maniacs. The end

LoremIpsumCici · 20/11/2024 22:57

Westofeasttoday · 20/11/2024 22:52

Every child is precious. Every child. No matter Palestinian, Israeli, Syrian, Ukrainian etc.

I will always be against any action where children are killed, maimed etc. (obviously). This is horrific and humanity at its worst. Narrowing blame on certain governments or groups isn’t for me.

This isn’t limited to one geographical place as EVERY child matters. Every child.

Our government is helping kill and maim Palestinian children while trying to prevent all the other children from being hurt. That is why the focus on Gaza, because every child is precious despite our government acting like Palestinian children do not matter.

Saying Palestinian children matter too to a government that is helping kill them, isn’t saying that other children do not matter.

Daftasabroom · 20/11/2024 22:59

@Auvergne63 to your OP. Yes children suffer especially, and not just immediately or directly. That suffering spreads across generations. Aside from the direct physical and psychological trauma who will be the role models for those orphans, where will their love and sense of well being come from.

How well will today's orphans be equipped to raise their own children?

ShortCircuited · 21/11/2024 01:10

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Marlhmarlol · 21/11/2024 01:26

Fuck! Are you serious? So nevermind what's happening in Gaza, children in nappies being blown to pieces, 4 year olds with bullet wound in their head from snipers (so deliberate) I mean it's just another war so whatev 🤷‍♀️ I am continuously shocked by the callous disregard for the suffering of human beings by Isreal and their supporters. Look we know you are going to succeed, the population of Gaza will be wiped out in your lifetime, no one is going to oppose you. But some of us are watching, we see the evil, the doctors from MSF are testifying against you daily and one day youll be held to account

It didn't take long, didn't? Please, this thread is about the appalling death toll of children in Gaza.

These are rather odd responses given the thread title is "All war is a war against children".

So why such reactions to someone posting other examples of just a few of the wars and genocides that are killing and maiming and traumatising children?

The thread did not say it was only for discussion about Gaza. What is happening there is horrific and so is what is happening on many other countries and the thread title implies that it is about the impact of war on children worldwide, so I do not understand why a poster was attacked like this for posting other examples.

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