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Conflict in the Middle East

Every war is a war against children.

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Auvergne63 · 20/11/2024 18:38

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2024/11/20/an-a-z-of-the-children-israel-killed-in-gaza

More than 17,000 children have lost one or both parents: by UNICEF
We are witnessing a genocide in real time: by Spokesperson for the Defense for Children International - Palestine
Every day, 10 children lose one or both legs, with operations and amputations conducted with little or no anaesthesia due to Israel’s continuing siege: by Save the Children
Without safe water, many more children will die from deprivation and disease: by UNICEF Executive Director Catherine Russell
Children are more at risk of dehydration, and malnourishment can further speed up the effects of having no water: by UNICEF
Gaza is once again “the most dangerous place in the world to be a child”: by UNICEF Executive Director Catherine Russell

I have no words.

An A-Z of the children Israel killed in Gaza

Israeli attacks have killed at least 17,400 children in Gaza. That is one child killed every 30 minutes.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2024/11/20/an-a-z-of-the-children-israel-killed-in-gaza

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Marlhmarlol · 21/11/2024 01:35

Westofeasttoday · 20/11/2024 22:52

Every child is precious. Every child. No matter Palestinian, Israeli, Syrian, Ukrainian etc.

I will always be against any action where children are killed, maimed etc. (obviously). This is horrific and humanity at its worst. Narrowing blame on certain governments or groups isn’t for me.

This isn’t limited to one geographical place as EVERY child matters. Every child.

Yes. And those being maimed/ conscripted as child soldiers/ raped/ subjected to racial/ religious slaughter/ murdered in central Africa. The horrific human rights abuses going on in many countries in many countries in the Middle East where ostensibly there is no "war" currently, except the war for some humanity. And the children who are being sent to concentration camps in China. And many, many others.

It is heartbreaking and it is happening in so many countries.

Usernamesareboring1 · 21/11/2024 08:05

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Conversely, Israel seem to be the only ones who actually care about Palestinian children by fighting to get rid of their oppressors

Deliberately killing children and posing for souvenir photos with the toys of dead and displaced children isn't care.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7893vpy2gqo

Every war is a war against children.
Daftasabroom · 21/11/2024 08:14

@ShortCircuited Their forefathers could have had their State 76 years ago.

Well they did actually have their state until 105 years ago, arguably until 77 years ago, except someone took it away and gave it to some outsiders who promptly forced them out of their homes.

Dulra · 21/11/2024 08:25

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Conversely, Israel seem to be the only ones who actually care about Palestinian children
This is so offensive. How can you claim an army and government that have murdered over 16,000 children, starved, displaced, maimed and orphaned thousands more "care" about them. If that is care I would hate to see what you call abuse.

If their parents had cared about them
So you are blaming the parents for the murder of their own children? what a sick offensive mindset you have, and it explains why many people supporting Israel's genocide seem to be able to dismiss the death and suffering of children so easily.

Put the blame where it should really lay. Therein is the ugly truth and is why this conflict SHOULD get more focus as it’s probably the only war in history where children have been used as pawns and deliberately been put in harms way by the very people who should have protected them the most.
In harms way? In their refugee camps, apartments, hospitals, schools? The IDF had no option just to bomb them t bits because they were in harms way.

Dulra · 21/11/2024 08:30

Marlhmarlol · 21/11/2024 01:26

Fuck! Are you serious? So nevermind what's happening in Gaza, children in nappies being blown to pieces, 4 year olds with bullet wound in their head from snipers (so deliberate) I mean it's just another war so whatev 🤷‍♀️ I am continuously shocked by the callous disregard for the suffering of human beings by Isreal and their supporters. Look we know you are going to succeed, the population of Gaza will be wiped out in your lifetime, no one is going to oppose you. But some of us are watching, we see the evil, the doctors from MSF are testifying against you daily and one day youll be held to account

It didn't take long, didn't? Please, this thread is about the appalling death toll of children in Gaza.

These are rather odd responses given the thread title is "All war is a war against children".

So why such reactions to someone posting other examples of just a few of the wars and genocides that are killing and maiming and traumatising children?

The thread did not say it was only for discussion about Gaza. What is happening there is horrific and so is what is happening on many other countries and the thread title implies that it is about the impact of war on children worldwide, so I do not understand why a poster was attacked like this for posting other examples.

So why such reactions to someone posting other examples of just a few of the wars and genocides that are killing and maiming and traumatising children?
Because it was quite clear they did not post it to raise awareness of these atrocities they did it to deflect from Gaza. I find it pretty immoral to use the suffering and murder of children as a tool to make a point tbh.

Daftasabroom · 21/11/2024 08:46

@ShortCircuited I've reread your post.

I have no words. It is hate speech based on lies, ignorance and prejudice.

Auvergne63 · 21/11/2024 08:50

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I’m old enough to remember the Rwandan genocide as it happened - over 1 million people slaughtered via machete (mostly) in 3 months. Obviously this was before 24 hour media and the internet but I can’t remember people marching on the streets worldwide calling for international or UN intervention (of which there was none as those poor people were left to their horrific fate). We did have marches in the UK then too.
I remember the Rwandan genocide too. It was a huge failure on the part of the UN and the international community. The difference between Gaza and Rwanda is the Western governments didn't supply the means to one party to slaughter the other. We didn't facilitate the slaughter of these people. In Gaza, we do.
Palestinian children have suffered extreme abuse living in a deliberately created war zone and have died needlessly for decades for a twisted ideology. Their forefathers could have had their State 76 years ago. Was it worth fighting for a tiny bit of extra land, they had no sovereignty over anyway, for generations to end up where they are today?
They have suffered but at the hands of the successive Israeli governments. Between "mowing the grass" and the deliberate counting of calories allowed to fend off malnutrition by the government, they have indeed suffered.
f their parents had cared about them, they wouldn’t have voted in Hamas either after Israel removed all trace of themselves from Gaza over 20 years ago. Not even leaving their dead in their graves but leaving infrastructure for Palestinians to build their own economy which they promptly destroyed. They knew what their Charter was and Palestinians have access to a high level of education so would have been able to understand it you would assume.
Israel, the knight in shiny armour, who came to civilise these Palestinians, Palestinians who don't care about their own children.
Put the blame where it should really lay. Therein is the ugly truth and is why this conflict SHOULD get more focus as it’s probably the only war in history where children have been used as pawns and deliberately been put in harms way by the very people who should have protected them the most.
I definitively place the blame of the death toll on the ones of have dropped the equivalent of 2 nuclear bombs on a territory 1/4 the size of London, who have deliberately withdrawn food/water/medical assistance, who have targeted aid workers and the press. Let's not forget that the Israeli government is refusing severely wounded children to be evacuated.
This is what you support.

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Auvergne63 · 21/11/2024 08:54

Daftasabroom · 21/11/2024 08:46

@ShortCircuited I've reread your post.

I have no words. It is hate speech based on lies, ignorance and prejudice.

The hatred for the Palestinians is palpable in her/his post. It is actually quite disturbing.
I haven't reported it because this needs to be seen to be believed.

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Auvergne63 · 21/11/2024 08:59

The thread did not say it was only for discussion about Gaza.
Come on, stop trying to justify the deflections.

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Alltheprettyseahorses · 21/11/2024 09:04

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Auvergne63 · 21/11/2024 09:24

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Pardon? Your post is offensive on so many levels.
To start with, I will paraphrase: "it can't be a genocide because they are breeding."
Palestine invaded Israel? I am still trying to make sense of this.
lurid fantasies and elevenerifing over who's the saddest and can write the most awful description of death and disaster.
So you refute the findings of internationally recognised and respected organisations? Do you dispute the eye witness accounts of doctors on the ground, in Gaza? What arrogance!

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Usernamesareboring1 · 21/11/2024 09:43

This whole"the population is Gaza has risen" line that keeps getting trotted out by posters has no factual basis but is swirling around on the most right wing extreme Zionist parts of the internet (think the groups walking around in masks holding sticks in Paris and tweeting at politicians that they'll send them a pager). It's embarrassing how much people want to show themselves up as being right wing genocide cheerleaders.

Kakeandkake · 21/11/2024 09:47

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Vile. Absolutely vile. 🤮

ShortCircuited · 21/11/2024 09:49

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Dulra · 21/11/2024 09:51

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No it is a fact not a blood libel, over 16,000 killed.

ShortCircuited · 21/11/2024 09:53

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Usernamesareboring1 · 21/11/2024 09:54

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So this surgeon is making this up to libel Israel, is that what you're saying? Are all the photos and videos of the IDF strapping toys to their tanks fake too? The 44% of the dead made up of children between the ages of 5-9 that have been verified, is made up?
You are in deep denial.

EasterIssland · 21/11/2024 09:56

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Palestine? Are you sure it was Palestine ? The country started a war???

relief ? 40k have been killed and we should be relief many have born in the last year ??? Where is empathy gone?

ismu · 21/11/2024 09:57

Every war is a war against children.
We used to understand this at a global level. But when one country can veto or vote against a UN ceasefire resolution, we seem to have lost sight of this, basic humanity.
No doubt if Live Aid ( a response to famine in Eritrea and Ethiopia caused mainly by war ) was proposed now there would be backlash on social media about " looking after our own" " they brought it on themselves ".
The warmongering posters on here truly do believe that some children are more equal than others.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 21/11/2024 09:57

Nothing I said is vile. But it's resulted in slurs, insults and disgusting antisemitism. I'm not Jewish and I have no idea what these extreme right wing parts of the Internet are supposed to be - I'm inclined to see the hyperbole as an attempt to shut the conversation down. In fact, the only extremism I see is on these boards. It's almost as though some people want there to be a genocide. Well I don't and I'm glad there isn't and if that makes me vile something has gone very wrong.

EasterIssland · 21/11/2024 09:58

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That’s not what witnesses (doctors around the world that have been working in Gaza) have said.

Kakeandkake · 21/11/2024 09:59

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YES IT IS.
They are deliberately murdering thousands of children. Israeli drones come and pick them off one by one whilst they lay injured on the ground. They are fucking sick.

ShortCircuited · 21/11/2024 10:00

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Usernamesareboring1 · 21/11/2024 10:05

Alltheprettyseahorses · 21/11/2024 09:57

Nothing I said is vile. But it's resulted in slurs, insults and disgusting antisemitism. I'm not Jewish and I have no idea what these extreme right wing parts of the Internet are supposed to be - I'm inclined to see the hyperbole as an attempt to shut the conversation down. In fact, the only extremism I see is on these boards. It's almost as though some people want there to be a genocide. Well I don't and I'm glad there isn't and if that makes me vile something has gone very wrong.

By all means link us the source then. Please as it would really help as people love to debate the figures of the deaths and surely as you have a genuine source of information to confirm the population has risen since Oct 7th you can link it so go ahead...