The future for Muslims in the UK is "bleak and dystopian"

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https://www.theguardian.com/news/2024/nov/17/muslims-face-bleak-and-dystopian-climate-in-uk-says-head-of-thinktank

According to a report by the Runnymede Trust. The crisis in Palestine and Lebanon is considered to be a major contributing factor.

Ultimately migrants need to largely assimilate with the host community. Whilst many Muslims have there are areas that have almost been turned into Muslim ghettos and are electing MPs based on Muslim interests rather than the national ones. We can keep a liberal mindset on this and ignore it and in time it will bubble over or our politicians can address it. Not sure how, that’s not my job, but no point denying it and kicking the can down the road, it is an issue that will only get bigger.

Do you mean you want to be racist and get told not to be racist?
Do you think Muslim people aren't British? I'm less British than many of my Muslim friends. I am only one generation away from not being British (1) but I am conveniently white so you cant tell.

Mass illegal immigration is the issue. What people see is mainly young men rocking up in boats, given a warm hotel room, meals & allowances
You do know that illegal immigrants don't get any state support obviously. Asylum seekers do while they are waiting for their application to be processed. I think this kind of misinformation doesn't help things and again is about incitement to hate. Well done

Immigration is obviously a concern and there needs to be a space to discuss the concerns without being called a racist etc.
It’s completely understandable that there are concerns about whether the infrastructure in particular areas can cope . Housing , jobs, school places, nhs appointments etc
But it does become an issue of racism when British people living here feel threatened and marginalised by the rhetoric surrounding immigration if it focuses on race and religion

I am afraid I agree.

Which Muslim interests are you referring to? And which MPs?

My concern is sharia law. Currently the majority in this country don't advocate for sharia law but if the demographic changes significantly this may change. That would be perfectly democratic if the majority wanted it of course. But it's hardly something I would look forward to. I think people are concerned that many or most Muslims would support sharia law in the UK however and that perception might explain why some consider them a threat.

This is not a perception that I had growing up when I had many Muslim friends who behaved just the same way as anyone else re drinking, attitudes re sex etc so something has changed. The perception has changed in the last twenty years. It may be that the Islamist voice is louder now.

I don’t think that post was in any way an “incitement to hate” or spreading misinformation. It was a description of the way many people feel.

Your response is the sort of overblown reaction that makes dialogue impossible and ultimately results in a much bigger societal conflict. You can’t shut down genuine concerns. You have to address them or feelings become more extreme.

Ultimately migrants need to largely assimilate with the host community.
Are all migrants Muslim? Are all Muslims migrants? No and No

Whilst many Muslims have there are areas that have almost been turned into Muslim ghettos and are electing MPs based on Muslim interests rather than the national ones.
How many Muslim MPs are there? When you say Muslim ghetto do you mean an area with a high Muslim population? What makes it a ghetto?

The level of ignorance regarding what asylum seekers are entitled to is staggering. I wish some would inform themselves before posting on here. I guess the right wing media and the previous government have done a great job at creating a divided society.

Your response is the sort of overblown reaction that makes dialogue impossible
Dialogue is impossible on this thread when there is so much racism and misinformation being spouted but go ahead have a go at me, predictable.

The same can be said of a lot of cultures and religions.

I used to live in Brent cross and Golders Green and felt the Jewish community didn't mix.

My best friend who is Nepalese feels the same way and she lives in a street in Tooting surrounded by Indian and Pakistan residents.

My concern is sharia law. Currently the majority in this country don't advocate for sharia law but if the demographic changes significantly this may change.

6.7% of the population is Muslim. What you are fearing is not likely to happen is it?

How many Muslim MPs are there? When you say Muslim ghetto do you mean an area with a high Muslim population? What makes it a ghetto?

Did you watch any of the Election coverage? Did you see what happened with Jess Phillips in Yardley!?

I’m not having a go at you - no need to be so aggressive
This is not about you. You accused a pp of inciting hatred. I think those kind of comments raise the temperature. Better to keep things moderate.

Then you've never visited an abortion clinic. Prayer is used as a weapon every day.

I attended an abortion clinic in the Midlands and with the extreme Christian weirdos outside and the vile comments of the Muslim taxi drivers, it was a more miserable day than it was already going to be.

People really should keep their nasty religions to themselves.

Let's say that hypothetically every single Muslim in the UK supported the implementation of sharia law in the UK, (emphasis on hypothetically!) How an earth would it happen? It's nigh on impossible, why would you worry about that?

I disagree that the Islamist voice is louder. People think it is because of right wing agitators on social media. The racist and hateful voices are most certainly louder and have been since Brexit.
I've joined Blue Sky to escape the bile and hatred on X.

As you don’t live here you’re probably not aware of all the tensions .
amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/31/batley-school-what-teacher-in-hiding-can-tell-us-about-our-failure-to-tackle-intolerance

It depends on the number of MPs advocating for it. I am looking long term obviously. Things change over time. England used to have religious laws. There's no reason why it can't in the future. I don't really approve of religion anyway so I'd prefer religion of any sort not to affect my life.

I don't think I am raising the temperature I am rightly angry with some of the posts here and I felt that post was spreading misinformation which does fuel hate. I disagree that my response is an "overblow reaction" and reading some of the racists posts here I am unsure why you took such exception to mine but there we go, lets leave it there

I am well aware of the tensions. I was merely pointing out that fearing 6.7% of the population would become the majority and vote in Sharia Law highly unlikely and not a realisitc fear to hold

Did you read the link? Any thoughts?

Hang on - a description of how people feel doesn't mean it wasn't spreading misinformation which it was. Misinformation we have seen over the last few decades now has incited more and more hatred towards mostly Muslim people. Correcting misinformation isn't shutting down genuine concerns. If they're so concerned that asylum seekers are living it up then surely correcting them is easing their concerns? How else are you suggesting these concerns are addressed ?

That must have been horrible, but taxi drivers comments and protests aren’t prayers.