Gaza 2 years from now -will the Palestinians ultimately emigrate?

[mids2019]

I think one thing that is looking increasingly inevitable is that Gaza is soon to become uninhabitable from the point of a view of people having the prospect of something akin to a comfortable healthy life with prospects for future generations. The infrastructure looks like it is beyond the reasonable prospect of repair in a time frame less than decades.

From a simply humanitarian point of view will there be moved to emigrate Palestinians as the reality is simply none would want to live or being up children in a wasteland? With he Trump team seeming to to be supportive of some of the ambitions of Israel will there become a real politik of mass displacement of people in the future and the abandonment of Gaza as a habitable piece of land?

No. They are passionately attached to it. There are millions of them. They have one of the highest birth rates in the world.
Likely to be huge numbers - as in hundreds of thousands leaving to claim asylum as happened with Iraq and Syria and Afghanistan.
I believe Qatar is their main source of funding so hopefully will help with the rebuilding.
The Middle East has been bombing each other to pieces for ever with help from the West and populations don’t shrink. Humans are resilient.

Interesting perspective but I do wonder if Gaza will reach a tipping point where there is a slow exodus of some manner. Granted populations have sustained bombing campaigns historically but we are talking about a region with no economy as such and extremely poor health care.

So you think birth rates may fall due to the conflict or is expanding family size an act of defiance in itself? It's amazing how many people in the UK so not have children because of financial reasons but Gaza has a high birth rate.

What ambitions of Israel are you referring to that you believe Trump is supportive of that relates to Gazans leaving Gaza?

@mids2019 how do you feel that a piece of land which is home to over a million children has been bombed by Israel to the point of being uninhabitable?

extremely poor health care.

there wasn't prior to the war, there is now because of Israel routinely bombing the hospitals and kidnapping, torturing and killing medical staff.

Where would they go? No one will take Gazans, not that they want to leave anyway.

I think there is a prospect of Gaza being uninhabitable depending on the length of the war. Possibly you may have a reconstruction effort at some point but (maybe I am wrong) but that could be some time off.

I believe the Israeli right in government were pleased with Trumps win and it will be interesting to see if there is a change in dynamic in terms of Israel US relations.

This doesn't answer what ambitions you were referring to.

The Palestinian people have a huge martyrdom philosophy that leaves many of them more willing to die than give up land.

Why would they be any more inclined to give it up when this particular phase of the long war dies down?

5 months into the war there was almost 600 attacks on healthcare in Gaza and the occupied west bank by Israel. SIX HUNDRED, let that number sink in. No idea what it must be at now over a year later. And then you say the healthcare is poor.

It’s not that easy to emigrate, many would have to claim asylum. Palestinians in neighbouring countries don’t have it easy. I actually think UNWRA is part of the problem, there are people who have lived their entire lives in Lebanon but wouldn’t be eligible for certain jobs, to buy a home etc etc because of their refugee designation.

They become permanent refugees whereas normally they would just be integrated into the host population. Jordan did the right thing and offered naturalisation to anyone who wanted it. It enables people to live their lives and build roots and then at a future point if a two state solution comes about then many can move back to a new Palestinian state if they so wish.

I also don’t think they should have to leave their home.

Think the birth rate has got a lot to do with early marriages, Gazan women tend to be well educated (often better educated than the men) but a significant portion are married very young so have longer fertile years. I would also suggest as is the case in many traditional societies women don’t have complete control over their own fertility. Usually as education increases fertility goes down.

https://aisha.ps/en/statistics/35

This shouldn’t be a political issue btw, it should be a children’s rights issue. About 20% of Palestinian women were married before 18 according to that link.

The removal of Palestinians from Palestine (either through death or forced displacement) is part of the agenda of the Israeli government and one of the things many people in authority are actively working towards.

@mids2019 rather than emigration, it would be more accurate to refer to this as forced displacement or ethnic cleansing, followed by annexation. This is not a positive thing. It is the next step in the destruction of a society. People have talked about how terrible it was that groups of people in the past were persecuted for their faith or nationality and forced from their homeland to seek refuge elsewhere; people have talked about how important it is for people to have a homeland... Yet in reality, people are quite happy to stand back and watch as Palestinians are killed, put through unbearable suffering, forced from their own homes, and as their homeland is destroyed and steps taken towards annexation, by a military force primarily attacking civilians.

Jordan did the right thing and offered naturalisation to anyone who wanted it.
To those from West bank Jordan actually governed for a bit. Post late 60s don't get citizenship afaik. Also many from those who did get it don't have family books and so certain rights within Jordan as citizens with family books.
Also... They tried to ovethrow the Hashemites....

“Emigrate” is definitely the wrong word choice in your heading

So you think birth rates may fall due to the conflict or is expanding family size an act of defiance in itself?
What are you trying to say here? There's a high birth rate to annoy Israel? Do you have any idea how you sound?

It's amazing how many people in the UK so not have children because of financial reasons but Gaza has a high birth rate.
Oh and with a bit of judgement thrown in.

I didn't even read the expanding family size bit properly until you pointed it out. @mids2019 what a disgusting thing to say, but hardly surprising from you.

“Emigrate”? This word is used to describe people who choose to move to another country for a better job, salary or lifestyle. It’s not the appropriate word to describe what the Gazans are suffering: genocide.

I feel so pessimistic about the future of the region now . I just can’t see a good outcome at the moment. But the Palestinians being forced to leave their homes in Gaza and become refugees elsewhere is obviously not a just outcome

Yes, as others have said you mean "ethnic cleansing" when you refer to emigration.

This is an unpleasant thread but I'm not surprised given the posting history of the OP.

This really smacks of genocide justification. “They aren’t like us, they are happy to die.” With the uncritical afterthought of “therefore, there is no problem if they are martyred.”

And we are talking about the The Palestinian People (all of them!)

This really smacks of genocide justification
It really does. "Sure isn't that what they wanted, death rather than give up land". The fact that over 16,000 children have been killed doesn't seem to register with the poster. Children are not more willing to die ffs.

Unless the military campaign stops and aid gets in, I do not think there will be any Palestinians left in Gaza. I suspect the numbers of dead and critically/terminally ill people is much higher than the figure of 43000. How long can people survive under bombing, without water, food, health care, with lack of sanitation systems? I doubt they can survive another 2 years and I see no sign of it stopping.

Not justifying anything. I am sure the Palestinians want to live long and happy lives in their native land but the people manipulating them are happy to exploit them. Don’t the Qataris pay a pension to ‘martyrs’?
Meanwhile the people suffer.

Just pointing out that it’s daft to think they will ever give up their fight in great enough numbers to equate to any kind of mass exodus as suggested in the OP. There is a whole new generation of children there who will never forget.

Emigrate?! That's a very flippant way of saying ethnic cleansing, genocide and land theft. I'm sure if what's happening to Gaza is happening to your country/city, if it's your home being turned into a waste land, you wouldn't be so flippant.