Ireland, is this true?

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Wasn’t sure where to ask this but there’s a piece in the JC about antisemitism in the Irish curriculum. It seems legit but incredulous:

https://www.thejc.com/news/world/jews-are-jesus-killers-and-israel-is-uniquely-aggressive-what-irish-pupils-are-taught-dhqmypgo

Can anyone here verify?

Yes being spat on is horrible and shouldn't happen. I don't know specifically about the treatment of Rabbis in Ireland but I do know that similar abuse of Jewish people in England has increased significantly. As for serious antisemitism in Ireland, it depends on your definition of 'serious'. I'd say declaring a space (Trinity college) a ''zionist-free zone' which basically means a 'jewish-free zone' sets some pretty serious mood music at the very least and is unacceptably racist for both Jewish & Israeli students. This is a good balanced article - I hope people will read it fathomjournal.org/anti-zionism-has-become-the-new-antisemitism-in-ireland/

Yes I suppose it does depend on your definition of serious. I would say being spat at everytime you leave your home is serious, religious places being subject to arson attacks is serious. These violent attacks that are happening everytime the poor Abbott leaves his home are serious and the fact that this violence has been allowed to grow unabated show a deep seated problem with anti Christian sentiment in Israel and it would be astonishing if that hostile atmosphere isn't leaking out into their foreign policy.

Before seeing the awful comments about Catholics over the last few days in relation to Ireland it never actually occurred to me that there could be a religious motivation there mainly because I don't really consider Ireland to be a religious country anymore but it's clear that some people in Israel do believe that hence me looking up of the treatment of Christians in Israel.

Sadly Christians of all denominations are persecuted widely across the Middle East . It’s not limited to Israel and spitting is the mildest expression of persecution compared to what happens elsewhere ( not justifying it - just providing context that Israeli mistreatment of Christians is nothing like as bad as that of other countries)

I hope the Irish Jewish community feels safe, listened to and respected . This must be a very difficult time for them. They are not responsible for what the Israeli government is doing but they might feel defensive about a lot of the rhetoric they’re hearing. In the same way people on here feel defensive about Ireland.

Which countries are you referring? Can you give concrete examples? Otherwise you're just speculating here.

@Opheliawasntmad i think you are deliberately minimising the treatment of Christians in Israel and in particular of those living in the Christian quarter by extremist zionist Jews. What does other middle Eastern countries have to do with it?
Israel has criticised Ireland for being anti-Semitic, posters are rightly pointing out that the treatment of the minority Christians in Israel is not only abhorrent but backed by members of the Israeli government and extremely anti-Christian.

@Opheliawasntmad perhaps read this again, the minister of security in Israel has publicly defended in court Jewish extremists, who carried out arson on a significantly importantant Christian building.

If this was the reverse in Ireland then all hell would have broken loose.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/59786a0040f0b65dcb00000a/042-Persecution-of-Christians-in-the-Middle-East.pdf

I totally agree- that is a terrible act and if the reverse happened in Ireland it would have been rightfully condemned.
But that wasn’t the point I was making. I was making a different point - persecution against Christians is widespread and more severe in many other countries .

I’m definitely not deliberately minimising persecution of Christians. I am a Christian

This is helpful- thank you

But what does that have to do with Israel and Ireland? It seems like deflection to me.
If Jews in Ireland were treated like Christians in Israel then there would be outrage. But as usual, Israel are quick to point fingers but fail to look closer to home at how they treat their own minorities. Which also includes supporting the eviction of Christians from their land and homes so that Jewish settlers can steal it and take over.

To be clear - I think the mistreatment of Christians by extremist Israelis in the West Bank is terrible. I also think the treatment of Palestinians by extremist Israelis is terrible.

I absolutely agree that if Irish Jews were treated the way Israeli extremists treat Christians there would be outrage .
But If posters are concerned about persecution of Christians I think it’s relevant to mention that there is much worse persecution in many other countries across the Middle East

Christianity is the most persecuted religion in the world. It’s amazing that so many don’t know this
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48146305.amp

www.cato.org/commentary/christianity-worlds-most-persecuted-religion-confirms-new-report

I don’t think it’s fair to focus attention on Israel if we’re talking about Christian persecution.

They certainly are, perhaps you can start a separate thread on it where it can be discussed as it doesn't get enough attention in my opinion.

Treatment of rabbis in Ireland - well, a rabbi was recently remanded in custody for weeks and refused kosher food because he carried out what the Irish considered a non-religious circumcision. Note that he is licensed to perform them on Jews but this was considered to be a cultural one for an African family (who of course had requested it). The difference between culture and religion is a fine one, and I think the authorities could reasonably have sent him a letter setting out their interpretation of the rules, and asking him to desist, rather than arresting him.

Yes - it needs another thread. I appreciate this is the wrong thread for more discussion on the topic

The vast majority of Jews are Zionists as you well know and has been explained endlessly. Its despicable to suggest Anyone (not sure who you are accusing - Jews or the Israeli government) of creating antisemitism to legitimise Israeli actions.

But it's fair to focus in on Ireland when talking about antisemitism? Imagine if Ireland were to announce on the world stage that they couldn't possibly deal with Israel anymore due to the extremely hostile environment for Christians in Israel making it impossible. Ireland would have far more to back up this claim than Israel has to back up their claims that they made on the world stage about Ireland. I think it is more than fair to focus attention on Israel given their behaviour.

I was writing a post to explain the same thing but you did it much better. Thank you.

Agreed, which was why I suggested putting it in a wider context in which Israel is not a major player, tbough its upsetting for any Christian harassed in Israel, and obviously wrong.