Israeli minister calling for a state that includes many Middle Eastern countries

[Nads0622]

I've just seen a video of the Israeli finance minister Bezalel Smotrich stating he wants a Jewish state, Greater Israel which includes Jordan, Saudi Arabia , Iraq , Syria and Lebanon. He’s basically calling for mass genocide !!!
why is no one talking about this .

It’s one person - not the whole country!

Most people don't listen to extremists and want they want.

Sadly the Hamas atrocity on 7/11 and the ongoing genocide in Gaza and the ethnic cleansing in the West Bank are evidence that this is not true. There are enough extremists on both sides to drag the whole region into conflict and bloodshed.

It’s not the only person in the country that thinks like that. . And it’s not an anonymous citizen. He’s a minister of the government.

He's a government minister.

He was elected to represent people on the basis of his electoral manifesto - enough members of the public supported and agreed with his manifesto that he won a seat in an election. He was then given a ministerial position in government - the other parties in government considered that there was sufficient alignment in views that they could work together. He then remained in government, and has taken tangible steps towards achieving his objectives - the government has not contradicted him or taken steps to have him removed from his post, therefore they are facilitating his actions.

He is one person, who represents many, has power over many, and who is supported/backed by the rest of the government through their actions and their inaction.

It is reported to be more than one person.

Nailed it.

People are talking about it though. Although given that OP believes "zionists" control the media they'd probably blame that.

I don't believe that the hostage takers treated those poor souls.they captured well. Hamas staged their release and forced hostage response as a condition of liberation.

I also recall that Hamas spread the rumour that Israel had committed those hellish atrocities on their own people. To expect truth from these terrorists is idiocy.
The hostages gave interviews after their release and spoke of their ill treatment. By the look of them they had suffered a great deal.
And of course we have Hamas"s own film. Remember the one where they displayed the captured Israeli.girls stood against the wall, telling the girls what they were going to do to them? I have no trouble.believing that one.

I can't believe people are still peddling the "hostages were treated well" line.

I said that there was live footage of hostages saying that they were treated well. That isn't wording I'd use personally, as being a hostage in itself is traumatic and harrowing. I said that hostages had said that. I assume they meant compared to how hostages are sometimes treated.

Yes they might be hesitant to publicly say off thr people who are still keeping their friends and family hostage. There are also hostages who say they were raped and abused.

My point was that there was a huge gulf between the narratives of each side.

If you believe one side, you believe one side. If you believe the other, you believe the other. If you are in the third camp you take account of both sides, decide what you can believe and what is not clear.

If you take sides, you can do so peacefully and favour peaceful solutions or you can want retribution. But there are two sides, however you want to look at it, and each have completely different narratives to the other. A huge, huge, deadly gulf.

In relation to hostages, you could say that whatever the hostages said, and whomever they said it to, they were doing so under duress, or they were speaking the truth.

Hope that clarifies things now. No one is peddling anything.

Under duress? So you think the hostages who says they witnessed rape and abuse might be lying? Why the fuck would they do that?

In relation to one side accusing the other of things which didn't happen, this is a documentary by Al Jazeera which looks at what evidence there is.

It is harrowing.

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MNHQ - if the video I linked above is not allowed, please could you let me know so that I don't post it again. Thanks.

I didn't say what I thought about specific hostages or witnesses. Which hostages are you talking about? Are you talking about Amit Soussana?

The gulf I mentioned, it also exists in relation to accounts about how the war started. For example, some claim that the Palestinian Mandate required the UK to give Palestine to Jews exclusively and in its entirety. Others say that the Mandate referred to the Balfour Agreement and neither agreement said this. This is just one example, there are a number of issues of disagreement which affect public opinion and the possibility of peaceful solutions being found.

I am not going to personally accuse anyone of lying and I hope for the sake of all victims on all sides, a peaceful solution and some common ground between all sides is found soon.

Among others. There have been multiple accounts of rape and sexual assault both during the attacks and towards the hostages. That you would talk about these people being "treated well" is sickening.

You clearly haven't read what I have written. I can assure you nothing I have said is sickening. What an awful thing to say to someone. You know nothing about me or my experiences. Try reading my posts more carefully and if you are interested in Al Jazeera's report on the evidence, watch the video. I am not willing to engage with you further and so please stop aiming posts at me. Good luck to you.

Good point. It's not like Israel would ever just take someone else's land that they have no right to.

This is the middle eastern equivalent of saying "I just heard Nigel Farage on the news calling for..."

He's recognised broadly as a nutcase. Every government has them. We have many.

But they do.
They all hate Israel and want it to be gone.
”From river to the sea….” What do you think it means?

The following countries refuse to acknowledge israels existence as a state:

Pakistan
Algeria
Iraq
Lebanon
Kuwait
Bangladesh
Libya
Yemen
Afghanistan

To name a few...

Iran and, prior to the removal of Assad, Syria, had the annihilation of Israel as official state policy!

Several countries undermine or actively oppose Israel, either by funding, hosting, arming, or politically shielding groups like Hamas, Hezbollah, or Islamic Jihad, or by using diplomatic, economic, or propaganda means to weaken Israel's position. Turkey, Qatar for example.

Numerous countries actual leaders express quite openly colonial plans..

Irans goal is a pan-Shi’a Islamic order under Iranian clerical dominance.

Turkey similarly flirts with ideas about a 2nd ottoman empire.

Not to mention dominant organised groups like ISIS, Hamas or the Muslim Brotherhood who call for a full Islamic state from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean and far beyond.

And we're talking about actions, active policy, real world attempts.

I dunno why people get their knickers in a twist about statements of fringe politicians in Israel. There's crackpots in every country.

What's evident is that Israel has never had a policy, nor acted on an agenda to take over other countries. They've only ever acted to secure the safety of their citizens.

For example, with the Golan Heights, Syria were firing at them for close to a decade and people were dying. Israel went to the UN multiple times and asked them to intervene to stop the artillery attacks and all attempts were halted by Russia.

So they took control of it themselves snd miraculously the artillery stopped.

I'm of a pragmatic mindset and the evidence tells me Israel has always tried to mind its own business but if it's being attacked, it will act.

I think people just want to see it a certain way.

Every word of this.

@ForgesOfEmpires

Please keep posting, your posts are incredibly well written, logical and informed.