Israeli minister calling for a state that includes many Middle Eastern countries

[Nads0622]

I've just seen a video of the Israeli finance minister Bezalel Smotrich stating he wants a Jewish state, Greater Israel which includes Jordan, Saudi Arabia , Iraq , Syria and Lebanon. He’s basically calling for mass genocide !!!
why is no one talking about this .

None of what stopped Hitler? (You mean the west tut tutting? I am a bit dense this evening!)

It is interesting that he accepts it is an extremist vision, but then says "but it is an accepted one in Israel's [general] [can't remember the word] discourse". But have the subtitles been verified? As someone has said the subtitles on the original video are blurred

I support a Two state solution but I don't see what that's got to do with what I or the poster I was responding to said.

Also, the reason you probably got no replies was because you asked the question two minutes before this post.

Iran supports Hamas, and Hamas denies committing atrocities on Oct 7 - they say that they took hostages, and hostages have reported good treatment, but that they didn't commit the heinous crimes we all read about.

If think that's even remotely true then would you like to buy this lovely bridge?

Iranian President calls for the destruction of Israel:

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202311194318

Or Hamas charter:

“Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (Preamble to Hamas Charter).

Or Hezbollah on Israel:

"our struggle will end only when this entity [Israel] is obliterated. We recognize no treaty with it, no ceasefire, and no peace agreements."

Godwin? I haven't heard that before.

Because he's a nutcase and it's not going to happen. Although it's worrying that he's in government at all.

I don't know how many in the government agree with him, but I think it's quite possible they will occupy Lebanon again. Whether that will turn into a long term situation like the West Bank, with the encouragement of settlements - I don't know.

sorry, brain clearly not working today, what are you talking about, lovely bridge?

is it a brunel bridge?

This thought is terrifying.

To answer the OP, it’s not talked about enough because to do so is apparently anti semitic.

There's no point quoting verifiable facts from a charter. Posters here have seen a video on insta. Of course that's much more important. 🙄

Statements vary over time, and different speakers have different opinions. Iran and many other Arab countries supported the UN motion to pursue 2 state solution in 2023. They have specifically said that they are not antisemitic or want harm to Jews since then.

A lot has happened over the last 100 years, there have been statements and behaviours both sides which have called for destruction of the other, time to time. We are in the here and now. To reiterate, the UN and many, many countries including most if not all Arab/Muslim countries including Iran are not calling for the destruction of Jews, nor the expulsion and want a 2 state solution.

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/I_have_a_bridge_to_sell_you

Basically, if you believe Hamas didn't commit the atrocities they are accused of and that the hostages were "treated well" then you are at best naive.

According to whom?

The Hamas charter quote undeniably rejects the state of Israel. Interestingly, the Likud founding charter rejects the state of Palestine. I expect you know that. They both need to change.

Or there would be the voting at the UN December 2023 by Iran supporting a 2 state solution.

Here is an interesting article about Iran's views, which indicates the complexities, and the changing views. I think that this is a better article than the one posted by 1dayatatime.

I take it you do not support a 2 state solution? A strong political will is required both side from the key players to make it work.

Okay then. A Brunel argument. I think you missed the point. I referred to commentators who said that Iran must cease to exist in order for Jews to live, because of Oct 7 atrocities. Yet Hamas denied the atrocities and Iran has officially backed a 2 state solution. That is the point. "Who do you believe" is a different point.

Re hostages saying they were treated well, there is a lot of live footage showing this, by hostages being released - so this isn't a "who do you believe" situation.

Sorry this is the article. NB this isn't intended for people who take quotes out of context. This covers complexities, and in the round you can see from how Iran voted its official stance.

amwaj.media/media-monitor/deep-dive-is-iran-shifting-its-stance-against-the-two-state-solution

But there is also footage of hostages saying they weren't treated well.

Also, the acceptance of 2 state solution by the wider Arab world, including Hamas funders, is extremely significant here, in negotiation terms.

Yeah, some of the survivors might be inclined to say they're treated well when their friends and family are still being held. And even if they were being held at a five star hotel, they're still fucking hostages being held against their will.

Jesus I can't believe people are still peddling this "hostages treated well" shit after a year.

Hamas denied the atrocities

The murdering raping scum deny that they're murdering raping scum. Shocking.

I’m struggling to comprehend your point. Are you saying that genocide is acceptable! It’s ok for Israel to kill millions to get what they want. Surely you understand that people will want to resist and fight back. Why should people just accept their land being taken and their families slaughtered. Several Israeli ministers have called for the destruction of Gaza , that doesn’t make it acceptable to wipe out all of Israel .
Im not a fan of Hamas but let’s stick to the truth. They changed their charter in 2017 so what you’re sharing as a justification for genocide is propaganda!
the fact is that there’s an Israeli minister who has called for genocide on a
mass scale and you’re defending him !

Hi, I've reported this as anti semetic. Criticizing this absolutely mental suggestion = valid
Bringing Hitler into it= anti semetic.

No. The point clearly is that ignoring or minimising the rise of the Nazis and Hitler was a grave mistake.

There are huge lessons we should learn from the past that are very relevant to the current situation in the ME.

The difficulty is that the most appropriate comparison when you see two maps describing other nations and their inhabitants as a curse, and the next showing them being inhabited by Israelis as a blessing.

How would you feel if people were stating openly on TV and at the UN, that you should make a refugee of yourself and your family to make way for people who see themselves as virtuous and describe you as a curse.

This is what dehumanizing language looks and sounds like. It absolutely shows genocidal intent.