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ScrollingLeaves · 31/12/2024 17:43

Dulra · 31/12/2024 15:11

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd0ep0j83p7o

It is just a desperate situation now. People can't survive this much longer. Those poor babies they had no chance and what an horrific way for them to die 😥

I agree. I was just coming to post this from Haaretz about this too.

^Seven People, Including Six Infants, Die of Hypothermia in Gaza, Authorities Say
The Gaza health ministry warns that the number of people dying from hypothermia is expected to rise as the result of heavy rain and difficult living conditions in flooded encampments^

^Seven people have died of hypothermia in Gaza in the past week, including six infants aged between four days to a month*

EasterIssland · 31/12/2024 18:38

https://www.ohchr.org/en/documents/reports/thematic-report-attacks-hospitals-during-escalation-hostilities-gaza-7-october

Thematic Report - Attacks on hospitals during the escalation of hostilities in Gaza (7 October 2023 - 30 June 2024)

ScrollingLeaves · 31/12/2024 22:35

Ofer prison camp report by 972+ magazine.

Note the discrepancy between the testimonies and what the IDF says.

www.972mag.com/ofer-camp-torture-gaza-detainees/

MothToAnInferno · 31/12/2024 22:54

ScrollingLeaves · 31/12/2024 22:35

Ofer prison camp report by 972+ magazine.

Note the discrepancy between the testimonies and what the IDF says.

www.972mag.com/ofer-camp-torture-gaza-detainees/

Imagine going to work starving, abusing and beating people all day then going home and sitting around the dinner table and looking your wife and kids in the eyes. Surely, it must eat away at your soul to know what a horrific example of a human you are? I hope they spend every night of their lives dreaming of the misery that they inflict on the world.

BelleHathor · 01/01/2025 01:59

MothToAnInferno · 31/12/2024 22:54

Imagine going to work starving, abusing and beating people all day then going home and sitting around the dinner table and looking your wife and kids in the eyes. Surely, it must eat away at your soul to know what a horrific example of a human you are? I hope they spend every night of their lives dreaming of the misery that they inflict on the world.

They would have to have a soul to care and as evidenced in the last year+ not many do......

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 02/01/2025 10:41

It's awful, isn't it? I'm utterly disgusted that my taxes in the uk could be used to support this disgusting behaviour. I wish Starner would back off Israel.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 02/01/2025 21:38

MothToAnInferno · 31/12/2024 22:54

Imagine going to work starving, abusing and beating people all day then going home and sitting around the dinner table and looking your wife and kids in the eyes. Surely, it must eat away at your soul to know what a horrific example of a human you are? I hope they spend every night of their lives dreaming of the misery that they inflict on the world.

You’d have to view the people as human for it to affect you.

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 04/01/2025 05:13

Heart breaking summary of the massacres the IDF has been committing over the last few weeks.

www.instagram.com/reel/DEYSfzyuXrj/

MissyB1 · 04/01/2025 09:11

How do we make our Politicians listen? I’ve written to my MP (both the last one and the present one) several times. My present MP is Lib Dem, he did at least send a long and sympathetic reply. But the basic tone was that our Government are not going to do anything constructive to force Israel to stop. It’s frustrating and sickening.

ScrollingLeaves · 04/01/2025 11:21

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 04/01/2025 05:13

Heart breaking summary of the massacres the IDF has been committing over the last few weeks.

www.instagram.com/reel/DEYSfzyuXrj/

We are not the only people feeling sick at all this. Israelis too are being harmed by what they themselves are doing.

IDF: Thousands of Soldiers Stopped Serving in Combat Roles Due to Mental Distress
^Israeli army data also shows a sharp rise in the number of suicides since the start of the war

Thousands of Israeli soldiers have stopped serving in combat roles due to mental distress since October 7, 2023
(Haaretz Jan 2 2025)

Israelis and Palestinians Are Trapped in an Endless Cycle of Trauma, and May Never Heal
*Only recently have we begun to process the traumas of the previous century, and yet here we are, living from war to war again, from tragedy to tragedy.^
Haaretz (Jan 4 2025)

MissyB1 · 04/01/2025 19:08

It feels to me Israel are killing at least 50 civilians a day at the moment and really ramping up the attacks. Have they set themselves a target amount of Palestinians they want to exterminate?! 😡

BelleHathor · 04/01/2025 22:25

MissyB1 · 04/01/2025 19:08

It feels to me Israel are killing at least 50 civilians a day at the moment and really ramping up the attacks. Have they set themselves a target amount of Palestinians they want to exterminate?! 😡

Unfortunately, it seems that the total annihilation and destruction of all Palestinians is the goal of the current Israeli administration.

I watched the following video with Professor John Mearsheimer talking to his fellow Ivy League academics.

Privately it is increasingly being acknowledged that the 2 state solution is dead especially after October 7th.
There is no path to a lasting peace anymore, the Israelis won't concede anything and the Palestinians will not accept the "scraps" that they're going to be offered.

It also covers the power of the lobby, which is why most that our MPs can offer are words and not action.

On a positive note the younger generations are much more attuned to the injustice of the situation and not beholden to lobbying.

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music that you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzgMtooufsk

EasterIssland · 08/01/2025 11:25
  1. Im glad they’ve investigated it
  2. IDF like Hamas uses human shields
  3. They , by mistake, killed the human shields
ScrollingLeaves · 09/01/2025 09:34

Haaretz

Israel is blocking the UN from investigating sexual crimes committed by Hamas during its October 7 attack, as well as the sexual abuse of hostages, fearing it would require granting the UN access toinvestigate allegations of sexual violence against Palestinians in Israeli detention.

  • Pramila Patten, the UN's Special Representative of the Secretary-General on Sexual Violence in Conflict, requested permission to investigate Hamas' alleged crimes, but stipulated that her team must also be allowed to access Israeli detention facilities to examine claims of sexual violence by Israeli soldiers. Israel refused the request.
  • Representatives of the Israel's Women's Network, who met with Patten's team in New York last month, told Haaretz that Israel's approach could result in its inclusion on the UN's blacklist of entities responsible for sexual violence in conflicts, while Hamas could remain off the list.

Israel blocks UN Hamas sexual crimes probe to avoid inquiry into abuse of Palestinians

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https://haaretz.us18.list-manage.com/track/click?u=d3bceadb340d6af4daf1de00d&id=a822654658&e=4dc3839227

ScrollingLeaves · 09/01/2025 14:43

This is a particularly interesting article in Haaretz last month written by an Israeli psychologist, Yoel Elizur, about war crimes by the IDF, in which the actions of certain different character types of soldier are analysed in regard to their propensity for, or resistance to, carrying out criminal acts during the course of duty.

It starts by saying such crimes are committed by all armies, then writes about the results of his own research regarding Israel’s war crimes in the context of Gaza in regard to the previous war 2012 and this one.

He goes on to write that he feels in this war:
Most notably, the Callous and Ideologically Violent groups appear to be larger

The article also discusses what has been mentioned on some threads - the mental dangers to some of the soldiers themselves when they become involved in these crimes.

This below does not include photos or links.
The article can be found in archive ph.

Trigger warning about some descriptions of brutality.
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‘When You Leave Israel and Enter Gaza, You Are God': Inside the Minds of IDF Soldiers Who Commit War Crimes
As a psychologist dealing with brutality in the military, I see how the government rhetoric of hatred is worsening the problem.

Concern for the safety of family members serving in the army is part of family life in Israel. Like my contemporaries, I was a worried father when my children served in the Israel Defense Forces, and I am a more worried grandfather. I am horrified by the mass killing of civilians in Gaza and I am disturbed the impact of this brutality on soldiers' mental health. Our soldiers are imperiled by the government's inflammatory rhetoric and weakening of the civilian and military justice systems. These policies undermine the IDF's code of conduct, support atrocities and increase the risk of moral injury.

Moral injury occurs when soldiers act against their moral values and beliefs or participate as bystanders. Those injured in this way experience guilt and shame, and are prone to depression, anxiety and suicidal impulses. The IDF provides month-long intensive treatment to traumatized soldiers, some of whom have been morally injured, in Rear Rehabilitation Centers (RRCs). Subsequently, half of these soldiers are discharged as unfit for military duty.

Israeli society views the IDF as a moral army. The discussion of atrocities evokes emotional resistance even though it is intellectually understood that crimes exist in every civilized society and that war crimes have been committed by soldiers in every army. Developmental psychologists have identified callous traits in young children while social psychologists have demonstrated that authoritative directives and social pressure lead ordinary people to harmful behavior.

Still, it is difficult to face the violence of callous soldiers and the brutalization of ordinary soldiers. Therefore, I am not reassured when my grandson says: "Don't worry, Grandpa, I will refuse an illegal order."

I want to protect him and all others who are risking their body and mind when they serve in the IDF. I want them to know how difficult it is to stand up to a callous commander and to resist peer pressure encouraging brutality. I want them to know about the slippery slope of brutalization and get educated about the moral dilemmas they will face during wartime. This motivated me to write this essay both as a grandfather and as a psychologist who has researched soldiers' experience with brutalization.

Israeli society views the IDF as a moral army. The discussion of atrocities evokes emotional resistance even though it is intellectually understood that crimes exist in every civilized society and that war crimes have been committed by soldiers in every army. Developmental psychologists have identified callous traits in young children while social psychologists have demonstrated that authoritative directives and social pressure lead ordinary people to harmful behavior.

Still, it is difficult to face the violence of callous soldiers and the brutalization of ordinary soldiers. Therefore, I am not reassured when my grandson says: "Don't worry, Grandpa, I will refuse an illegal order."

I want to protect him and all others who are risking their body and mind when they serve in the IDF. I want them to know how difficult it is to stand up to a callous commander and to resist peer pressure encouraging brutality. I want them to know about the slippery slope of brutalization and get educated about the moral dilemmas they will face during wartime. This motivated me to write this essay both as a grandfather and as a psychologist who has researched soldiers' experience with brutalization.

Nuphar Ishay-Krien was the social welfare officer of two mechanized infantry companies stationed in the southern Gaza Strip during the first intifada (1987-93). She talked with the soldiers and they opened up to her. Four years later, I supervised her graduate research study of the companies' brutalization. She used confidential interviews to explore the moral drift, the brutalities and the consequent mental health issues. Our scientific article was later published as the first chapter in an edited book "The Blot of a Light Cloud: Israeli Soldiers, Army, and Society in the Intifada" in 2012.
Ishay-Krien was the social welfare officer of two mechanized infantry companies stationed in the southern Gaza Strip during the first intifada (1987-93). She talked with the soldiers and they opened up to her. Four years later, I supervised her graduate research study of the companies' brutalization. She used confidential interviews to explore the moral drift, the brutalities and the consequent mental health issues. Our scientific article was later published as the first chapter in an edited book "The Blot of a Light Cloud: Israeli Soldiers, Army, and Society in the Intifada" in 2012.

The subsequent chapters reflected and expanded on our research. They were written by an interdisciplinary group of scholars in mental health, sociology, law, political science, communication, and philosophy. There were also writers, artists, and high-ranking retired army officers.

We identified five groups of soldiers based on personality traits. 1. A small Callous group was composed of ruthless soldiers, some of whom confessed to violence before the draft. These soldiers committed most of the severe atrocities. The power they received in the army was intoxicating: "It's like a drug ... you feel like you are the law, you make the rules. As if from the moment you leave the place called Israel and enter the Gaza Strip, you are God." They viewed brutality as an expression of strength and masculinity.

"I have no problem with women. One threw a slipper at me, so I gave her a kick here (pointing to the groin), broke all this here. She can't have children today."

"X shot an Arab four times in the back and got away with a self-defense claim. Four bullets in the back from a distance of ten meters ... cold-blooded murder. We did things like that every day."

"An Arab just walked down the street, about 25 years old, didn't throw a stone, nothing. Bang, a bullet in the stomach. Shot him in the stomach, and he was dying on the sidewalk, and we drove away indifferently."

These soldiers were remorseless and did not report moral injury. Some of them were convicted by military courts. They felt bitter and betrayed.

  1. A small, ideologically violent group supported the brutality without taking part. They believed in Jewish supremacy and were derogatory toward Arabs. Moral injuries were not reported in this group.
  1. A small incorruptible group opposed the influence of the callous and ideological groups on the company's culture. Initially intimidated by brutal commanders, they later took a moral stand and went on to report the atrocities to the division commander. Following discharge, most of them viewed their service as meaningful and strengthening. However, one whistle blower was severely harassed and ostracized, and it was necessary to move him to another unit. He was traumatized, depressed and left the country following discharge.
  1. A large group of followers consisted of soldiers with no prior inclination to violence. Their behavior was most influenced by junior officers' modeling and the company's norms. Some followers who committed atrocities reported moral injuries: "I felt like, like, like a Nazi ... it looked exactly like we were actually the Nazis and they were the Jews."
  1. The restrained was a large group of inner-directed soldiers who maintained military standards and did not commit atrocities. They responded to Palestinian violence and life-threatening situations in balanced and legally justified ways. They did not report moral injuries.

In each of the companies, an internal culture developed that was largely shaped by junior commanders and charismatic soldiers. Initially, the norms instigated atrocities.

"A new commander came to us. We went out with him on the first patrol at six in the morning. He stops. There's not a soul in the streets, just a little 4-year-old boy playing in the sand in his yard. The commander suddenly starts running, grabs the boy, and breaks his arm at the elbow and his leg here. Stepped on his stomach three times and left. We all stood there with our mouths open. Looking at him in shock ... I asked the commander: "What's your story?" He told me: These kids need to be killed from the day they are born. When a commander does that, it becomes legit."

A forceful intervention by the division commander transformed the two infantry companies. Following the report by the Incorruptible soldiers, he initiated an investigation that led to convictions. Additionally, two of the Incorruptible soldiers were assigned to officers' training. When they returned to the companies as officers, they closely monitored the soldiers, kept strict discipline, and promoted an inner culture that was in line with the IDF's code of conduct.

There is much evidence of alleged war crimes in the current war and it is easily accessible. Lee Mordechai, an Israeli historian, has been collecting, categorizing, and regularly updating the data. The data include reports by reputable institutions such as the United Nations, reporting by mainstream media outlets, and images, and videos uploaded to social media.

There is documentation of shooting of civilians waving white flags, abuse of individual captives and corpses, burning houses without legal approval, vengeful destruction of property, and looting. Additionally, Mordechai finds that "a miniscule number of investigations" have been opened "compared to the evidence for committed crimes."

My examination of the data indicated a similar grouping of soldiers with some significant differences. Most notably, the Callous and Ideologically Violent groups appear to be larger, more extreme and to act out their ideology in defiance of IDF's standards and the weakened justice system.

The eulogies at Shuvael Ben-Natan's funeral, a reservist who was killed in Lebanon, illustrate this shift. One speaker referred to Ben-Natan's killing of a 40-year-old Palestinian who was harvesting olives with his children in the West Bank. Members of his military unit recounted how he boosted morale in Gaza by setting a home on fire without approval. They professed their commitment to continue with arson and revenge in Gaza, Lebanon and Samaria (the West Bank).

As the corrupting influence of the Callous and Ideologically Violent soldiers increases, the Incorruptible are marginalized. Max Kresh, a reserve fighter, declared his opposition to participating in crimes against humanity like "flattening Gaza." The result was severe social ostracism: "They kicked me out of my team. They made it clear they didn't want me." He returned from reserve duty feeling "mentally crushed."

Sde Teiman, a detention facility, is like a microcosm of brutalization in the current war. It became notorious when an Incorruptible veteran physician reported signs of severe sexual abuse in a detainee. Nine IDF reserve soldiers were subsequently detained on suspicion of aggravated sodomy and other forms of abuse.

According to media reports, there are 36 investigations regarding deaths of detainees who were held in Sde Teiman since October 7. Testimonies of released Palestinians gathered by the Israeli human rights NGO B'Tselem indicate harsh, arbitrary violence on a frequent basis, humiliation and degradation, deliberate starvation and other abusive practices. Soldiers expressed anonymously how a discourse of hatred and revenge normalized the abuse of detainees.

A Restrained student in the reserves described brutalization and its effect on the Followers. "I saw sadistic people there. People who enjoy causing suffering to others. … What was most disturbing was to see how easily and quickly ordinary people can detach themselves and not see the reality right in front of their eyes when they are in a difficult and shocking human situation."

Similarly, a reservist doctor stated: "There is total dehumanization here. You don't really treat them as if they are human beings ... in retrospect, the hardest thing for me is what I felt, or actually what I didn't feel when I was there. It bothers me that it didn't bother me. There is normalization of the process, and at some point, it just stops bothering."

A Restrained female reservist kept her standards by escaping the facility: "The dehumanization scared me. The encounter with such dangerous attitudes, which has become more normal in our society, was traumatic for me ... I discharged myself from reserve duty with a psychiatrist's help."

Sde Teiman and the war crimes in Gaza need to be seen within the larger context. Israel went to war after the mass killing of civilians by Hamas and the uncovering of its genocidal intention. Shortly thereafter, Hezbollah, which had been preparing the infrastructure for a parallel mass killing in the north, attacked our civilian population. They have been armed and joined by Iran, which has been openly stating its intention to annihilate the State of Israel and complete the "Final Solution" for Israeli Jews.

We felt weak and vulnerable as we reexperienced memories of the Holocaust, and we needed to defend ourselves against real threats to our existence. There were also dark feelings of rage and vengeance, and no empathy for the people of Gaza who rejoiced in the massacre of Jewish women and children.

Our children and grandchildren, husbands and wives, went into this war courageously, risking their lives with a comradeship that reflects what has been valuable and meaningful in our country. It was the duty of our government and the senior command to lead our soldiers in battle, and to prepare them physically, mentally and morally for the particular challenges of this war. We needed leaders who would help us to courageously face our own darkness and strictly forbid a vendetta.

"War is a cruel thing," wrote Maj. Gen. (res.) Yaakov Amidror in "The Blot of a Light Cloud" and continued: "The real question is: how do you focus the cruelty on those who want to harm us and not on others who happen to be in the area."

In this context, our government's rhetoric of hatred and revenge, which has been reinforced by its determined undermining of the justice system, led to excessive retaliation and mass killing of civilians in Gaza. It provided a tailwind for atrocities by Callous and Ideologically Violent soldiers, increased their influence over the Followers, and sidelined the Incorruptible.

In this difficult situation, the senior command is responsible for upholding the values listed in the IDF's code of ethics, including purity of arms and discipline, which dictate: "IDF soldiers will not use their weapon or power to harm uninvolved civilians and prisoners" and "The soldier will ensure they are only giving out legal orders, and do not follow illegal orders." By upholding these values, they can prevent brutalization against the innocent and protect the soul of our soldiers.

We, the citizens who send our children, spouses and grandchildren to military service, must find ways of resistance. We are obligated to speak clearly in order to keep limits on the cruelty of war, to uphold our moral code, and to protect soldiers from moral injury and its long-term consequences.

Prof. (Emeritus) Yoel Elizur, The Seymour Fox School of Education, The Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Chairperson of the Council of Psychologists (2010-13). As a mental health officer in reserve, he was the chief supervisor of the IDF's RRC. Editor of "The Blot of a Light Cloud: Israeli Soldiers, Army, and Society in the Intifada" (Hebrew).

warmetal · 09/01/2025 17:34

BelleHathor · 04/01/2025 22:25

Unfortunately, it seems that the total annihilation and destruction of all Palestinians is the goal of the current Israeli administration.

I watched the following video with Professor John Mearsheimer talking to his fellow Ivy League academics.

Privately it is increasingly being acknowledged that the 2 state solution is dead especially after October 7th.
There is no path to a lasting peace anymore, the Israelis won't concede anything and the Palestinians will not accept the "scraps" that they're going to be offered.

It also covers the power of the lobby, which is why most that our MPs can offer are words and not action.

On a positive note the younger generations are much more attuned to the injustice of the situation and not beholden to lobbying.

If you don't think a two state solution wil work, what do you suggest instead?

And I'm not sure why anyone should care what a defender of Putin has to say on a podcast that also champions people like Salman Abu Sitta.

SharonEllis · 09/01/2025 19:22

warmetal · 09/01/2025 17:34

If you don't think a two state solution wil work, what do you suggest instead?

And I'm not sure why anyone should care what a defender of Putin has to say on a podcast that also champions people like Salman Abu Sitta.

Agree. Mearsheimer who completely lost the plot over Ukraine, apologist for Putin who says himself how comfortable he feels in China. I'm not very interested in anything he has to say. And as for Abu Sitta, the one who thinks those who attacked Israel on 7 October had 'courage'. There's one for the people who always pile on when we point out how the attack has been celebrated. Give me strength.

ScrollingLeaves · 09/01/2025 20:19

GAZA: Far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich said during an online Q&A that Israel needs "to stay in Gaza for a very long time. We need to stop being afraid of the word 'occupation,'" adding that Israel will "assume responsibility for civilians in Gaza."

  • Smotrich also said that Israel will reduce humanitarian aid for the Gaza Strip to the minimum required by international law after U.S. President-elect Donald Trump is sworn in on January 20, adding that he expects Trump to give Israel the military and diplomatic backing to "open the gates of hell on Hamas."

There is probably no point in saying what I think of him.

EasterIssland · 09/01/2025 20:21

ScrollingLeaves · 09/01/2025 20:19

GAZA: Far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich said during an online Q&A that Israel needs "to stay in Gaza for a very long time. We need to stop being afraid of the word 'occupation,'" adding that Israel will "assume responsibility for civilians in Gaza."

  • Smotrich also said that Israel will reduce humanitarian aid for the Gaza Strip to the minimum required by international law after U.S. President-elect Donald Trump is sworn in on January 20, adding that he expects Trump to give Israel the military and diplomatic backing to "open the gates of hell on Hamas."

There is probably no point in saying what I think of him.

Reduce to the minimum aid but don’t worry we will stay here and assume responsibility of civilians.

aren’t those two sentences the opposite ?

EasterIssland · 09/01/2025 20:22

Some will tell you he’s also an extremist and also doesn’t represent the views of Israeli citizens. Sadly, for Palestinians it doesn’t matter what Israeli citizens think but what these extremists in power do

BelleHathor · 09/01/2025 21:06

warmetal · 09/01/2025 17:34

If you don't think a two state solution wil work, what do you suggest instead?

And I'm not sure why anyone should care what a defender of Putin has to say on a podcast that also champions people like Salman Abu Sitta.

It's not for me to suggest another solution for the future. That's the root of this whole problem, external parties gave the Palestinians land away and they were colonised and ethnically cleansed with no justice even until today. And since then these same external parties have come up with these "solutions" that depend upon the capitulation of the Palestinians whilst looking away as more land and life has been taken.

There's far too much hatred and far too many atrocities have been committed to ever come to any sort of even fragile "peace". The kid that saw his baby sister's dead body scraped into a plastic bag isn't looking for peace. Just like those IDF soldiers in the article above are looking to enact vengeance for October 7th.

The fact that people fail to understand the position of someone like Salman Abu Sitta, who was ethnically cleansed during the Nakba is also key and rooted in supremacist ideals.

100 years after Zionist thinker Jabotinsky wrote:
"“A voluntary reconciliation with the Arabs is out of the question, either now or in the future,” he wrote in his book The Iron Wall in 1923, adding, “If you wish to colonize a land in which people are already living, you must provide a garrison on your behalf.
For “Zionism is a colonizing adventure and therefore it stands or falls by the question of armed force”.

How much safer is Israel today? Have the people in the North moved back after the temporary ceasefire with Hezbollah. How stretched is the IDF now that it's occupying Syria? with a potential land bridge for Turkey? How positively do young Americans view Israel? What about poorer Americans currently financially struggling.

On Mearsheimer, I will take his opinion as a well regarded, published long term professor at the one of the top Universities in the world. 90% of the "professionals" called Ukraine wrong and have doomed them to a future of debt, demographic collapse all with 100s of thousands of deaths/casualties and no chance of ever being in Nato or recapturing their lost land. It's death by a thousand cuts and Ukraine doomed to be as Mearsheimer stated in his 2015 video "a dysfunctional rump state". But hey Putin bad!

Vladimir Jabotinsky: The Iron Wall - We and the Arabs (1923)

Vladimir Jabotinsky: The Iron Wall - We and the Arabs (1923)

https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/document/mideast/ironwall/ironwall.htm

warmetal · 09/01/2025 21:47

BelleHathor · 09/01/2025 21:06

It's not for me to suggest another solution for the future. That's the root of this whole problem, external parties gave the Palestinians land away and they were colonised and ethnically cleansed with no justice even until today. And since then these same external parties have come up with these "solutions" that depend upon the capitulation of the Palestinians whilst looking away as more land and life has been taken.

There's far too much hatred and far too many atrocities have been committed to ever come to any sort of even fragile "peace". The kid that saw his baby sister's dead body scraped into a plastic bag isn't looking for peace. Just like those IDF soldiers in the article above are looking to enact vengeance for October 7th.

The fact that people fail to understand the position of someone like Salman Abu Sitta, who was ethnically cleansed during the Nakba is also key and rooted in supremacist ideals.

100 years after Zionist thinker Jabotinsky wrote:
"“A voluntary reconciliation with the Arabs is out of the question, either now or in the future,” he wrote in his book The Iron Wall in 1923, adding, “If you wish to colonize a land in which people are already living, you must provide a garrison on your behalf.
For “Zionism is a colonizing adventure and therefore it stands or falls by the question of armed force”.

How much safer is Israel today? Have the people in the North moved back after the temporary ceasefire with Hezbollah. How stretched is the IDF now that it's occupying Syria? with a potential land bridge for Turkey? How positively do young Americans view Israel? What about poorer Americans currently financially struggling.

On Mearsheimer, I will take his opinion as a well regarded, published long term professor at the one of the top Universities in the world. 90% of the "professionals" called Ukraine wrong and have doomed them to a future of debt, demographic collapse all with 100s of thousands of deaths/casualties and no chance of ever being in Nato or recapturing their lost land. It's death by a thousand cuts and Ukraine doomed to be as Mearsheimer stated in his 2015 video "a dysfunctional rump state". But hey Putin bad!

You think that I have supremacist ideals because I think Sitta is a cunt for praising a terrorist attack?

And yes, Putin bad. And so are his defenders.

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