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Zebedee999 · 11/12/2024 21:09

MissyB1 · 11/12/2024 11:18

Grrr... Whst a bloody surprise 😡 Any other Countries they fancy helping themselves to a slice of?!

And the rest of the world will let them because God forbid anyone tells Israel to bloody behave themselves!

That whole region is a mess. Borders cross through nations/tribal areas. It's a mess. The whole area needs to be divvied up again according to nations/religions/tribal allegiances.

People of differing religions/nations etc cannot live peacefully alongside. Never have been able to and never will. It's true even here in the UK. Northern Ireland for example. Or the Scottish hating the English. Or Cornish wanting independence. No tribes can live harmoniously with others.

Lalaloveya · 11/12/2024 21:15

Zebedee999 · 11/12/2024 21:09

That whole region is a mess. Borders cross through nations/tribal areas. It's a mess. The whole area needs to be divvied up again according to nations/religions/tribal allegiances.

People of differing religions/nations etc cannot live peacefully alongside. Never have been able to and never will. It's true even here in the UK. Northern Ireland for example. Or the Scottish hating the English. Or Cornish wanting independence. No tribes can live harmoniously with others.

"Here in the UK". Colonialism is indeed at the root of a lot of modern conflicts and disputes.

Zebedee999 · 11/12/2024 22:06

Lalaloveya · 11/12/2024 21:15

"Here in the UK". Colonialism is indeed at the root of a lot of modern conflicts and disputes.

Nah. It’s humans bringing humans. Another example: you’ll not find a Muslim country in the world where gays/ non Muslims etc are not persecuted minorities. People don’t like living with those different to themselves. Muslim countries take that to extremes of course. But try bringing a Jew in London nowadays, your children are targeted by non Jews.
The worlds borders need redrawing.

Zebedee999 · 11/12/2024 22:09

Exaggerated implies they were based in fact, but numbers less than Israeli intelligence thought. It would be far better for Palestinians if Hamas didn’t hide in hospitals at all. Even better if they didn’t attack Israel in 7/10 but what do Hamas care about Palestinians?

Dulra · 11/12/2024 22:10

Zebedee999 · 11/12/2024 22:06

Nah. It’s humans bringing humans. Another example: you’ll not find a Muslim country in the world where gays/ non Muslims etc are not persecuted minorities. People don’t like living with those different to themselves. Muslim countries take that to extremes of course. But try bringing a Jew in London nowadays, your children are targeted by non Jews.
The worlds borders need redrawing.

What exactly are you trying to say?

MissyB1 · 11/12/2024 22:15

Zebedee999 · 11/12/2024 22:09

Exaggerated implies they were based in fact, but numbers less than Israeli intelligence thought. It would be far better for Palestinians if Hamas didn’t hide in hospitals at all. Even better if they didn’t attack Israel in 7/10 but what do Hamas care about Palestinians?

Do you know what would be better for Palestinians? If Israel would stop committing a genocide, that would definitely be a bonus!

JaneJeffer · 11/12/2024 22:17

The world's borders need redrawing.
By whom? Confused

Daftasabroom · 11/12/2024 22:20

Zebedee999 · 11/12/2024 21:09

That whole region is a mess. Borders cross through nations/tribal areas. It's a mess. The whole area needs to be divvied up again according to nations/religions/tribal allegiances.

People of differing religions/nations etc cannot live peacefully alongside. Never have been able to and never will. It's true even here in the UK. Northern Ireland for example. Or the Scottish hating the English. Or Cornish wanting independence. No tribes can live harmoniously with others.

Imperial ideas, particularly nationalism and colonisation have a lot to do with the mess the region is in. I really don't think carving it up any more would benefit anyone.

High time to leave the "isms" behind.

Lalaloveya · 11/12/2024 22:26

Zebedee999 · 11/12/2024 22:06

Nah. It’s humans bringing humans. Another example: you’ll not find a Muslim country in the world where gays/ non Muslims etc are not persecuted minorities. People don’t like living with those different to themselves. Muslim countries take that to extremes of course. But try bringing a Jew in London nowadays, your children are targeted by non Jews.
The worlds borders need redrawing.

I don't understand what you mean by "bringing"?

I don't think that "nah" is a great response to the fact that colonialism is clearly at the root of a lot of problems in the areas you mention. Why don't you think it's relevant?

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 11/12/2024 22:27

Zebedee999 · 11/12/2024 22:09

Exaggerated implies they were based in fact, but numbers less than Israeli intelligence thought. It would be far better for Palestinians if Hamas didn’t hide in hospitals at all. Even better if they didn’t attack Israel in 7/10 but what do Hamas care about Palestinians?

“Claims ….may have been exaggerated..”

Doesn't imply that the claim = fact. A “claim” is by definition unverified and could be true or false. The comment that claims may have been exaggerated is really implying that the claims are likely false.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 11/12/2024 22:34

Zebedee999 · 11/12/2024 22:06

Nah. It’s humans bringing humans. Another example: you’ll not find a Muslim country in the world where gays/ non Muslims etc are not persecuted minorities. People don’t like living with those different to themselves. Muslim countries take that to extremes of course. But try bringing a Jew in London nowadays, your children are targeted by non Jews.
The worlds borders need redrawing.

I feel like I read this same thought stream in some Parlimentary debate of centuries ago that was saying the same thing about slavery. That you will not find a country in the world without slavery and that’s it part of the human condition to always have a slave class…and don’t you know those barbaric Arabs treat their Christian slaves much worse….

So your throwback post is going to get the same thumbs down 👎🏿 that did.

ScrollingLeaves · 11/12/2024 23:02

“grossly exaggerated”, a top prosecutor at the international criminal court (ICC) has said.

I have often wondered if in many cases the Hamas ‘control and command’ presence in hospitals in Gaza consisted of severely wounded Hamas fighters, and some unwounded bringing them in. Hardly a reason to erase a whole hospital or leave ICU babies alone to die.

That mock up drawing of the underground control compound we were shown about a year ago as being underneath a major hospital never really materialised.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 11/12/2024 23:08

ScrollingLeaves · 11/12/2024 23:02

“grossly exaggerated”, a top prosecutor at the international criminal court (ICC) has said.

I have often wondered if in many cases the Hamas ‘control and command’ presence in hospitals in Gaza consisted of severely wounded Hamas fighters, and some unwounded bringing them in. Hardly a reason to erase a whole hospital or leave ICU babies alone to die.

That mock up drawing of the underground control compound we were shown about a year ago as being underneath a major hospital never really materialised.

Even if there were wounded Hamas in ambulances and hospitals that is still wholly permitted in the laws of armed conflict and doesn’t invalidate ambulances and hospitals legal iron clad immunity from attacks.

OchaLove · 12/12/2024 00:38

Zebedee999 · 11/12/2024 21:09

That whole region is a mess. Borders cross through nations/tribal areas. It's a mess. The whole area needs to be divvied up again according to nations/religions/tribal allegiances.

People of differing religions/nations etc cannot live peacefully alongside. Never have been able to and never will. It's true even here in the UK. Northern Ireland for example. Or the Scottish hating the English. Or Cornish wanting independence. No tribes can live harmoniously with others.

In USA, we live side by side peacefully. I mostly lived and worked in more diverse areas, so I can tell you at every workplace you'll find Christians, Jews, Muslims, and people from other religions or people with no religion. Same for ethnic backgrounds, we all co-exist. We live, work, shop, socialize side by side with no problems. We see we're all the same, just wanting to go along with our lives, see our kids grow up and have a future.

I have all types of friends Jews, Christians, atheists, Muslims (of course as someone from Muslim background), Blacks, Latinos, Asians, LGBTQ members. I love, appreciate and trust some members of the 'other groups' more than some members of my own 'in group'.

Of course, we see polarization in USA being install in recent years that creates division between groups for political reasons. Very much the same, how division is inflicted in the Middle East, for political reasons, for power. When this intentional division is inflicted, we argue and hate each other maybe, call each other names childishly but we keep functioning as a society altogether, side by side because nobody forces up to fight with each other (and hopefully will never). In Middle East, when intentional division is inflicted, usually it is part of a plan where world powers are looking to sustain their power or increase their power.

The root cause is not the people who can not live side by side despite differences, it's the ones who inflict this division for their benefit. So, no we don't need to be divided into further borders defined by religion or ethnicity. We just need to realize that we should say no to the ones who want to divide us.

Sorry for the long rant. But it feels very hypocritical when the same powers who pushes diversity for the many countries but claim that same diversity can not co-exist when it comes to Middle East despite its long history of co-existing together for thousands of years.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 12/12/2024 01:07

Yes, it’s the divide and conquer tactic that the political and wealthy elites inflict to line their pockets. People can live peacefully together, when they aren’t being fed the propaganda of hate.

Daftasabroom · 12/12/2024 14:08

And as settlers move into the old buffer zone the new buffer zone will be pushed ever further outward. Encroachment.

Scirocco · 12/12/2024 14:32

Buffer zones should usually be on a country's own land or as a mutually agreed arrangement between two countries. Also, bombing chemical weapons stores is not a particularly safe means of disposal.

JaneJeffer · 12/12/2024 17:23

You couldn't make it up

This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 5)
This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 5)
This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 5)
MissyB1 · 12/12/2024 18:14

JaneJeffer · 12/12/2024 17:23

You couldn't make it up

Ha ha I watched that, well done Krishnan!

Auvergne63 · 12/12/2024 18:25

MissyB1 · 12/12/2024 18:14

Ha ha I watched that, well done Krishnan!

So, in short, Israel is just destroying any means for Syria to defend their sovereignty, just in case.
Well, I hope Macron takes note and starts bombing Belgium, just in case.
How absurd!

MissyB1 · 12/12/2024 18:28

Auvergne63 · 12/12/2024 18:25

So, in short, Israel is just destroying any means for Syria to defend their sovereignty, just in case.
Well, I hope Macron takes note and starts bombing Belgium, just in case.
How absurd!

Yep!
perhaps we should start bombing Russia /China/ North Korea, you know just in case…..

EasterIssland · 12/12/2024 20:54

Auvergne63 · 12/12/2024 18:25

So, in short, Israel is just destroying any means for Syria to defend their sovereignty, just in case.
Well, I hope Macron takes note and starts bombing Belgium, just in case.
How absurd!

glad you said Belgium and not your neighbours of the south 😆 and wouldn’t have been without a reason taking into account not that long time ago there was a terrorist group killing in south of France and north of Spain.

jokes aside , it must be consequence that assad is removed and Israel steals land (one more time). They’ve not even bothered removing themselves from Palestine so they won’t from whatever land they’re getting now

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