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mids2019 · 2024-10-01T16:53:51+00:00

For those that have friends and family in Israel just a quick message to hope all is OK at this worrying time.

OrangeBlossomBlue · 01/10/2024 22:39

My thoughts are with everyone in their mamad tonight and also all the Iranians who long for Israel to free them from an awful, autocratic and fanatical regime.

YoYoYoYo12345 · 01/10/2024 22:45

blackcherryconserve · 01/10/2024 20:31

Apparently not. Sympathy is in short supply tonight from some posters who cannot let the rest of us talk about Israel solely without engaging other countries caught up in the conflict.

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The fact that Iran has launched the missiles and people are celebrating in Iraq, Gaza, Iran, Lebanon etc pretty much shows that no matter who attacks Israel they love it. Some there hate Israel more than they love their own children and until they spend money on improving their own lot rather than hate on Israel things won't improve for them. Pathetic.

YoYoYoYo12345 · 01/10/2024 22:49

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 01/10/2024 20:18

But how many of you have shown your empathy and support on all the other threads for the sufferings of the Palestinians and Lebanese and Syrian etc? The answer is not many, if not, none.

I can only speak for myself, and the reason is that those threads are so partisan against Israel, and so full of propaganda, that they are not pleasant places for anyone who doesn't absolutely hate Israel.

I can also guess how any perceived derailment of those threads would go.

I've visited and unless you hate Israel you aren't welcome so I don't visit anymore.

I've said time and again that too many innocents are dying and more needs to be done towards negotiations of a ceasefire but unless you hate Israel don't bother. That's why there are a handful of mainly the same people posting on most.

EgonFace · 01/10/2024 22:49

YoYoYoYo12345 · 01/10/2024 22:45

The fact that Iran has launched the missiles and people are celebrating in Iraq, Gaza, Iran, Lebanon etc pretty much shows that no matter who attacks Israel they love it. Some there hate Israel more than they love their own children and until they spend money on improving their own lot rather than hate on Israel things won't improve for them. Pathetic.

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I despise anybody celebrating any action that kills innocent civilians. How can anybody think this is an occasion for joy??

YoYoYoYo12345 · 01/10/2024 22:54

SanMarzano · 01/10/2024 19:39

Apologies if I wasn’t clear. These civilian targets are being targeted by Israel, not the other way around.

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You mean Israel are firing the missiles from Iran at itself. 🙄

stomachamelon · 01/10/2024 22:55

Some usual suspects can't help themselves.
My heart is with family and those in Israel tonight.
Shame people cannot be respectful.
I simply do not understand why people fail to comprehend why Israel would protect itself and take out those who wish to destroy it. Whose whole being and purpose is to rid the world of Jews and the Jewish state.
'Those who attack us we attack them'

YoYoYoYo12345 · 01/10/2024 22:58

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stomachamelon · 01/10/2024 22:58

What is the mindset that thinks coming onto a thread about Israel is the place to "what about "

@herecomesautumn exactly.

EgonFace · 01/10/2024 23:02

stomachamelon · 01/10/2024 22:58

What is the mindset that thinks coming onto a thread about Israel is the place to "what about "

@herecomesautumn exactly.

But this kind of attitude has gone on from the start on both sides. When any thread has been started about the deaths in Gaza, immediately some will comment and bring up October 7 and talk about the victims there. It feels impossible to discuss one side, without people feeling the need to remind others that there have been other victims too. I am yet to see a thread without ‘what about’ being said.

YoYoYoYo12345 · 01/10/2024 23:03

SallyWD · 01/10/2024 18:38

Wy are you singling out Isreal? Why not the people in Palestine and Lebanon too? I hope everyone is safe.

Did Iran attack Palestine or Lebanon today? No.

That's why the thread is about the people under attack by Iran.

There are plenty of people celebrating in Lebanon though.

stomachamelon · 01/10/2024 23:06

@YoYoYoYo12345 and Gaza. It's just been on sky news.

YoYoYoYo12345 · 01/10/2024 23:09

stomachamelon · 01/10/2024 23:06

@YoYoYoYo12345 and Gaza. It's just been on sky news.

I know. Sad.

Its the thing that unites terrorists hatred of Israel.

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It’s true though isn’t it or why would people be celebrating a massive missile bombardment from one nuclear power on another, obviously hoping as much death and destruction as possible was wrought, and surely knowing that a full blown war across their region was imminent due to it?

If they loved their children more than they hated Israel, they would be horrified at this escalation and the further suffering yet to come on all sides surely? Wouldn’t you be?

Most people in the West are.

The ‘martyr’ ideology across that region is well documented in videos, articles and even UN reports from over 20 years ago and up to recently.

It is gobsmacking to me that people in the West don’t understand the relevance of that and the implications of it as a barrier to peace in the region.

Golda Meir said it in 1957:
Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.

And in 1969:
When peace comes we will perhaps in time be able to forgive the Arabs for killing our sons, but it will be harder for us to forgive them for having forced us to kill their sons.

Over 50 years later and…………….

There are no adequate words to convey the tragedy in this.

mouthpipette · 02/10/2024 00:51

I keep on reading about "Hating Israel" and that's become the go-to phrase.
Personally (and this view may be shared by one or more posters here) I don't hate Israel, I hate its behaviour, I hate what it is doing at the moment. In addition, I don't have much empathy for a lot of its previous behaviour. But Israel is people, new people with different ideas can come along and people can change their views. Were they to deal more equitably with their neighbours, they might just find fewer projectiles coming their way and that just might happen were Palestinians to have a reasonable chance of living a reasonable life. So there is hope for Israel, but not in the way it is behaving now.

As for the thread title, I sympathise with those who feel that it has been derailed and that at least one thread could stay on course. Can we stop the "It's genocide!" , "No it isn't" discussion. Personally I would prefer to address the problem than debate the label. To me, Israel's actions are disproportionate, barbaric, inhumane and worst of all, unnecessary. For me, the process of trying to categorise it, is relatively unimportant.

And to justify this post and to get back "on thread" I will make an admission. No doubt someone will describe it as "head madness" or "unfeasible", but this is it.

When I heard that Israelis were in their bunkers I sincerely hoped that none of them would be in any way harmed.
I watched the Nova documentary and it was the most chilling and one of the most saddening things I have ever seen. It was the terror and fear of those poor people at the festival. No human being on earth should ever be made to feel like that. That fear is being felt by so many people in that part of the world. There must be a better way to do things.

And a confession. I did however hope that when those who experienced the Iranian missiles this evening, emerged from their shelters, they would walk into a street with quite a few a few bombed-out buildings, just so that they could start to empathise with all the other people in the middle east who have had their home destroyed. Maybe then they could start to see the madness and futility and realise there has to be another way to sort out this conflict which has been a festering sore for decades.

And another confession. I had a thought. One which I should be ashamed of having, but I had it. I wished just one rocket could "neutralise" Benjamin Netanyahu. A very utilitarian, "for-the-greater-good argument." My dream then followed that Israel called a ceasefire, all the right wing nutters were locked up and negotiations started. Negotiations over anything. Even if it's just the price of Felafal. Talking is better than what we've got at the moment.

NoisyPombear · 02/10/2024 00:56

mouthpipette · 02/10/2024 00:51

I keep on reading about "Hating Israel" and that's become the go-to phrase.
Personally (and this view may be shared by one or more posters here) I don't hate Israel, I hate its behaviour, I hate what it is doing at the moment. In addition, I don't have much empathy for a lot of its previous behaviour. But Israel is people, new people with different ideas can come along and people can change their views. Were they to deal more equitably with their neighbours, they might just find fewer projectiles coming their way and that just might happen were Palestinians to have a reasonable chance of living a reasonable life. So there is hope for Israel, but not in the way it is behaving now.

As for the thread title, I sympathise with those who feel that it has been derailed and that at least one thread could stay on course. Can we stop the "It's genocide!" , "No it isn't" discussion. Personally I would prefer to address the problem than debate the label. To me, Israel's actions are disproportionate, barbaric, inhumane and worst of all, unnecessary. For me, the process of trying to categorise it, is relatively unimportant.

And to justify this post and to get back "on thread" I will make an admission. No doubt someone will describe it as "head madness" or "unfeasible", but this is it.

When I heard that Israelis were in their bunkers I sincerely hoped that none of them would be in any way harmed.
I watched the Nova documentary and it was the most chilling and one of the most saddening things I have ever seen. It was the terror and fear of those poor people at the festival. No human being on earth should ever be made to feel like that. That fear is being felt by so many people in that part of the world. There must be a better way to do things.

And a confession. I did however hope that when those who experienced the Iranian missiles this evening, emerged from their shelters, they would walk into a street with quite a few a few bombed-out buildings, just so that they could start to empathise with all the other people in the middle east who have had their home destroyed. Maybe then they could start to see the madness and futility and realise there has to be another way to sort out this conflict which has been a festering sore for decades.

And another confession. I had a thought. One which I should be ashamed of having, but I had it. I wished just one rocket could "neutralise" Benjamin Netanyahu. A very utilitarian, "for-the-greater-good argument." My dream then followed that Israel called a ceasefire, all the right wing nutters were locked up and negotiations started. Negotiations over anything. Even if it's just the price of Felafal. Talking is better than what we've got at the moment.

You're not an extremists, you just want Israelis to have their homes and businesses destroyed and their prime minister assassinated.

mouthpipette · 02/10/2024 01:55

You're not an extremists, you just want Israelis to have their homes and businesses destroyed and their prime minister assassinated. @NoisyPombear

OK, so maybe wishing the death of Netanyahu was a little extreme. Perhaps a little bit of hot shrapnel in the Tush?
I hope everyone else was safe, unharmed and not too afraid.

MangeMonCochonnet · 02/10/2024 05:21

Thinking of everyone in Israel right now by dint of the Thread Name (!) and any MNers that have been directly affected ❤️.

EllaDisenchanted · 02/10/2024 06:53

mouthpipette · 02/10/2024 00:51

I keep on reading about "Hating Israel" and that's become the go-to phrase.
Personally (and this view may be shared by one or more posters here) I don't hate Israel, I hate its behaviour, I hate what it is doing at the moment. In addition, I don't have much empathy for a lot of its previous behaviour. But Israel is people, new people with different ideas can come along and people can change their views. Were they to deal more equitably with their neighbours, they might just find fewer projectiles coming their way and that just might happen were Palestinians to have a reasonable chance of living a reasonable life. So there is hope for Israel, but not in the way it is behaving now.

As for the thread title, I sympathise with those who feel that it has been derailed and that at least one thread could stay on course. Can we stop the "It's genocide!" , "No it isn't" discussion. Personally I would prefer to address the problem than debate the label. To me, Israel's actions are disproportionate, barbaric, inhumane and worst of all, unnecessary. For me, the process of trying to categorise it, is relatively unimportant.

And to justify this post and to get back "on thread" I will make an admission. No doubt someone will describe it as "head madness" or "unfeasible", but this is it.

When I heard that Israelis were in their bunkers I sincerely hoped that none of them would be in any way harmed.
I watched the Nova documentary and it was the most chilling and one of the most saddening things I have ever seen. It was the terror and fear of those poor people at the festival. No human being on earth should ever be made to feel like that. That fear is being felt by so many people in that part of the world. There must be a better way to do things.

And a confession. I did however hope that when those who experienced the Iranian missiles this evening, emerged from their shelters, they would walk into a street with quite a few a few bombed-out buildings, just so that they could start to empathise with all the other people in the middle east who have had their home destroyed. Maybe then they could start to see the madness and futility and realise there has to be another way to sort out this conflict which has been a festering sore for decades.

And another confession. I had a thought. One which I should be ashamed of having, but I had it. I wished just one rocket could "neutralise" Benjamin Netanyahu. A very utilitarian, "for-the-greater-good argument." My dream then followed that Israel called a ceasefire, all the right wing nutters were locked up and negotiations started. Negotiations over anything. Even if it's just the price of Felafal. Talking is better than what we've got at the moment.

when those who experienced the Iranian missiles this evening” that would be the whole country. Including the medical emergency workers who were in the middle of doing life saving treatment in the immediate aftermath of a terrorist attack with multiple casualties

“ they would walk into a street with quite a few a few bombed-out buildings, just so that they could start to empathise with all the other people in the middle east who have had their home destroyed.” the north has been under bombardment since October 8th. By December 2023, kibbutz Manara had already had 86 out of its total 155 homes damaged or destroyed by Hezbollah bombardment. I dread to think what state it’s in now. And that’s just one kibbutz of many up north. By August 39,000 acres of north Israel had burned.
Do you know that Barzilai medical centre ( a hospital) was hit at the start of the war? Luckily they’d already evacuated the high risk pregnancy and gynae wards not long before, as the rocket struck close to those wards. I don’t remember seeing it reported in msm.
Apart from majdal shams, there has been other playgrounds also hit by rocket fire, and schools and homes. The shrapnel itself is massive, and the reason why Israelis stay in bomb shelters for ten minutes after.
Many homes across Israel have been bombed out, well before this latest attack.

the picture is some shrapnel from last night of a missile that landed in the Negev

For all those with friends and family and Israel...hope your safe

YoYoYoYo12345 · 02/10/2024 07:22

NumberNotRecognised · 02/10/2024 00:26

It’s true though isn’t it or why would people be celebrating a massive missile bombardment from one nuclear power on another, obviously hoping as much death and destruction as possible was wrought, and surely knowing that a full blown war across their region was imminent due to it?

If they loved their children more than they hated Israel, they would be horrified at this escalation and the further suffering yet to come on all sides surely? Wouldn’t you be?

Most people in the West are.

The ‘martyr’ ideology across that region is well documented in videos, articles and even UN reports from over 20 years ago and up to recently.

It is gobsmacking to me that people in the West don’t understand the relevance of that and the implications of it as a barrier to peace in the region.

Golda Meir said it in 1957:
Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.

And in 1969:
When peace comes we will perhaps in time be able to forgive the Arabs for killing our sons, but it will be harder for us to forgive them for having forced us to kill their sons.

Over 50 years later and…………….

There are no adequate words to convey the tragedy in this.

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Indeed.

It feels like groundhog day. Nothing changes which is sad.

Normal people aren't so different. Ideologies based on destruction of others hurt everyone, those they hate and those they think they are furthering the ains of.

My thoughts with all those in Israel. Hoping for peace one day.

Oldseagull · 02/10/2024 08:35

MotiRoller · 01/10/2024 21:26

Oh yes, 50 Muslim countries that don’t let women show their faces and throw gay people off buildings but it’s the only Jewish country in the world that happens to be the most “vile”. You’re telling on yourself, herr drivemecrazy.

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As a general outsider to these threads the antisemitism is rather shockingly obvious.

My heart goes out to Israel and anyone who has family there.

OrangeBlossomBlue · 02/10/2024 09:07

Oldseagull · 02/10/2024 08:35

As a general outsider to these threads the antisemitism is rather shockingly obvious.

My heart goes out to Israel and anyone who has family there.

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The antisemitism and anti-Israel narrative here is as illogical and inflexible as flat earthers, anti vaxxers and other fucking idiots, I am awed by those who have the patience to argue with these brick walls.

Hopefully it helps the lurkers.

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 02/10/2024 10:09

There was a terrorist attack in Tel Aviv today too.

Yes I think the death toll is seven now. Two armed terrorists from the West Bank who just shot people at random.

stomachamelon · 02/10/2024 10:14

@mouthpipette your ignorance about what has been happening in Israel and the reality that is being faced their is breathtaking.

CallMeMammy · 02/10/2024 11:00

NumberNotRecognised · 02/10/2024 00:26

It’s true though isn’t it or why would people be celebrating a massive missile bombardment from one nuclear power on another, obviously hoping as much death and destruction as possible was wrought, and surely knowing that a full blown war across their region was imminent due to it?

If they loved their children more than they hated Israel, they would be horrified at this escalation and the further suffering yet to come on all sides surely? Wouldn’t you be?

Most people in the West are.

The ‘martyr’ ideology across that region is well documented in videos, articles and even UN reports from over 20 years ago and up to recently.

It is gobsmacking to me that people in the West don’t understand the relevance of that and the implications of it as a barrier to peace in the region.

Golda Meir said it in 1957:
Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.

And in 1969:
When peace comes we will perhaps in time be able to forgive the Arabs for killing our sons, but it will be harder for us to forgive them for having forced us to kill their sons.

Over 50 years later and…………….

There are no adequate words to convey the tragedy in this.

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I think it is far more likely that they were hoping that their long time illegal occupiers who have been bombing the shit out of them and killing their children in their 1000s would be made to stop.