How the hell did the Israeli's mange to cause the exploding pagers?

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Just this is really ...how did they do it? Was this the secret service on steroids?

By the Israeli intelligence agency (Mossad) - they have a large counter intelligence presence within Iran.

Oh I didn't know that, thanks @amigafan2003

Hezbollah is estimated to have up to 50,000 members, about half of that full time soldiers and the other half reservists. The vast majority will probably have been going about their lives like any other person, including going to the shops in civilian clothes while carrying their Hezbollah issued pager so they could be contacted while off duty.

I'd be amazed if secret service attacks blowing people up with their pagers was considered legitimate warfare. Come on now. Nothing about this is legal.

This is the bit many are wilfully ignoring. This little girl is not hamas, and her death is enough to prove that innocents were killed today. This is not justifiable under any circumstances

Not at all - Israel have clearly define who the military targets are - they used devices they knew would most like be used by only those targets (article 48). The attacks have quite clearly NOT cause excessive harm to the civilian population (not the article does not say NO harm) when considering the military advantage (article 51). Finally, and linked with the first point, Israel have clearly use4 an attach vector that focuses on the military targets and avoids indiscriminate collateral civilian casualties (article 57).

As I said, Israel appear to be operating entirely within the bounds of the Geneva convention.

Sorry, but it is justifiable according to the Geneva convention - it's how war is conducted.

You might not like it, but those are the facts.

Doing away with pagers /bleeps might have been supposed to happen, but it hasn't actually happened. Their use has been reduced, and smartphone apps/notifications in Teams/other solutions have been implemented, but they are still used. I work in a hospital and someone phoned my extension last week asking if I'd bleeped them (I hadn't, someone had mistyped the number they wanted to be called back on)

Why would it not be legal?

Present your argument.

This.

Some would have no action taken against the terrorists just in case someone was hurt. Conflicts are never win that way. That way terrorists win.

Who are you calling useful idiots?

And how is it antisemitic to call a terrorist attack a terrorist attack?

The attacks have quite clearly NOT cause excessive harm to the civilian population

do you have information about who those excessively harmed are ? I don’t hence I can’t say they all were terrorists. Specifically when I’m reading children have been injured and killed

How many people handle your phone or pager in a day? Most people have their devices on their person, especially if that device was the means of communicating with their terror.group.
I suppose the Israelis, if it was the Israelis,
were right to expect a high rate of hitting their targets.

According to a BBC news update at 19.45 she was the daughter of a Hezbollah member. But no, she wasn’t a terrorist and didn’t deserve to die, nor did the Druze children killed in the Golan Heights, the Israeli children killed on 7th Oct and the Palestinian children who have died in Gaza. It is devastating when innocent children are caught up in war.

I'm sure you'll find international law is not fought on mumsnet posts... and that the international community will disagree with you.

I wonder if Israel had intelligence of a planned Hezbollah attack? Apparently between 10 - 15% of Hezbollah's total force is now injured and the hospitals would not be able to cope with any more military casualties. Strategically this has been incredible. Hezbollah has taken a huge hit but very few civilians have been hurt.

I don't care whose daughter she was. She was an innocent child.

I can categorically state that no NHS hospital should be using pagers - I have not seen one used 'in the wild' for over a year now. If any department are they will be a local run anomaly and are in contravention of the NHS wide edict issued April 2023 and such use should be reported as a security breach.

It's most likely that when doctors say 'did you bleep me' they mean a message on their mobile device - the terminology has just entered common vernacular now.

It's just as well you have someone on here who is well versed in international law then.

We'll see if the international community do anything.

Like I said to a previous poster, they may not like it, but it's not against the Geneva Convention (which is when the international community actually step in and take action, rather than just talk).

It's Hezbollah, not Hamas. In Lebanon. You seem a bit confused.

It doesn’t change the fact that she’s been killed when she shouldn’t have

It's not a terrorist attack though.

No, and her dad shouldn't have been a member of a terrorist organisation either.

See, we can all do whataboutism.

Hezbollah are directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of Lebanese civilians. They are a blight on Lebanon. Israel has clearly gone out of its way to target Hezbollah while minimising (while not completely eradicating) the risk to civilians. Can you imagine Hamas or Hezbollah going out of their way to avoid civilian casualties? Both organisations have said that no Israeli is a civilian.