How the hell did the Israeli's mange to cause the exploding pagers?

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Just this is really ...how did they do it? Was this the secret service on steroids?

Yeah, I hold channel 4 in even lower regard than I hold the guardian, if that's possible.

The UN haven't designated Hamas as terrorists either. Are they also not terrorists in your eyes?

I'm not sure I'd go that far, but it's certainly a close run thing.

It does not matter what you think about Channel 4 or The Guardian.
The leading human rights lawyer Sir Geoffrey Nice was the one speaking and the one explaining the law -not Channel 4 or The Guardian.

Anyway, for anyone who is interested in hearing why it is that these attacks are considered wrong by the law, even though Hezbollah is Israel’s enemy, this shows the lawyer explaining the points of law just after the lead in beginning at about 9:07 minutes into the clip.

One thing that keeps crossing my mind is the injured will be going home to their family with all their health issues. What about their wives and children who will bear the brunt of this.

I don't agree with his assessment regarding proportionality. He says it's impossible to calculate the impact of the explosions and that, therefore, makes it illegal - but Israel would have known exactly the size of the explosives and the blast radius, etc. They would have been able to assess the threat to innocent bystanders and whether that is proportionate to their aims.

Others may disagree with the level of risk that they were willing to accept, but that doesn't make those critics correct.

Hard to believe this shameless terrorism apologism is still on this site.
This is the page on gov.uk explaining why Hezbollah has been proscribed as a terrorist organisation. This is not 'contentious':
Hizballah (Party of God) - Proscribed March 2019
Hizballah is committed to armed resistance to the state of Israel and aims to seize all Palestinian territories and Jerusalem from Israel. It supports terrorism in Iraq and the Palestinian territories.
Hizballah was established during the Lebanese civil war and in the aftermath of the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982. Hizballah is committed to armed resistance to the state of Israel and aims to seize all Palestinian territories and Jerusalem from Israel. It supports terrorism in Iraq and the Palestinian territories. Hizballah continues to amass an arsenal of weapons in Lebanon, in direct contravention of UN Security Council Resolutions 1701 and 1559, putting the security of the region at risk. Its involvement in the Syrian civil war, since 2012, continues to prolong the conflict and the regime’s brutal and violent repression of the Syrian people - violating the Lebanese government’s policy of disassociation from regional conflicts, increasingly destabilising the region’s long-term stability.
Hizballah, as a political entity in Lebanon has won votes in legitimate elections and forms part of the Lebanese government. It has the largest non-state military force in the country.
The UK government proscribed Hizballah’s External Security Organisation in 2001. In 2008, the proscription was extended to include the whole of Hizballah’s military apparatus, namely the Jihad Council and all the units reporting to it.
Hizballah itself has publicly denied a distinction between its military and political wings. The group in its entirety is assessed to be concerned in terrorism.
The US, Canada, the Netherlands, Israel, the Gulf Co-operation Council and Bahrain also designate the group in its entirety as a terrorist organisation

Proportionate to the Israeli state’s aims may not be what is considered proportionate by international law.

It may not be, but that person claimed categorically that it wasn't proportionate and was therefore illegal. For him to state that as fact, not opinion, has no credibility.

Given the last line of your post I'm a bit embarrassed for you. There was no conscription in Ireland for the First World War. Famously. Its proposed introduction led to a national crisis and hastened the events that led to independence and civil war a few years later.

I'm not trying to derail, just correcting misinformation.

Thanks for sharing that and thank you to Professor Sir Geoffrey Nice, who also gives as one of the reasons this is criminal, as being because the level of damage to civilians (whether or not it would be proportional) couldn’t be calculated. It wouldn’t be possible to say with any certainty who they would be next to when they exploded.

He also mentions that most likely not everyone targeted will have been active combatants, which also makes this criminal.

Importantly he also say this is ‘a criminal war on both sides’.

The United Nations and a leading Human Rights lawyer have plenty of credibility.

The United Nations has zero credibility when criticising Israel.

I've already explained why I think that lawyer lacks creditability.

It might have zero credibility for you. Not for Israel or shall we remember when Iran attacked Israel few months ago and Israel called UN members asking for help ?

I think it is Israel that is losing credibility. As a state, Israel would do well to remember that not every criticism comes from a place of wishing it harm. At least some people within Israel realise this.

Israelis & Jews are the people best placed to spot who wants to do them harm.

And we will prevent it.

It's a bit like the line in the Lundy Bancroft book when the abused women gets free: 'I can survive without you & I know what's best for me.'

No more Jews with trembling knees.

Never again is now.

Tough luck if that gets the antisémites frothing.

And we will prevent it.

Killing innocent people (thousands of them children) is the way you will manage to prevent the harm ?

I feel eye for eye never ends well and more harm is created

What you feel is irrelevant

War never ends well

For whom?

For the innocents that lose their lives

From
bbc US security spokesman

He adds that it would be "difficult" to determine how the events in Lebanon would change the wider war and said that a ceasefire deal between Hamas and Israel is "increasingly difficult".
"We don't want to see an escalation, of any kind," he says, adding that additional military operations were not the way to solve the crisis.

We believe the best way to avoid escalation, or the opening of another front in Lebanon, is diplomacy."

Are you actually joking at a time like this? That's really tasteless and despicable. Dehumanisation like that is really awful, yet a common denominator of warfare and genocide. Please think before you joke. Not cool!

This is the sort of soundbite we see on here that is so shallow. War usually ends a lot better than it started. Take the second world war. What would have happened if Germany had not been stopped? War is a poor way of solving disputes but you can't let bullies, dictators & warmongers win. To pretend otherwise is Pollyanna politics.