Has enough been done to tackle incitement to genocide?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cze5w2wd4x0o

I sometimes wonder what Hamas thought would be the Israeli response to their actions, I suspect they got something rather different.

So it’s Hamas’s fault then that Israel has killed about 15,000 children then?
Because Hamas started it after all…
People who try to justify, minimise or deny the depth of these atrocities underpin the incitement to genocide. It makes it ok, politically expedient even, to say things like “It’s an entire nation out there that is responsible. It’s not true this rhetoric about civilians not aware not involved. It’s absolutely not true. … and we will fight until we break their backbone.” - Israel’s president
or
"one goal: Nakba! A Nakba that will overshadow the Nakba of [1948]. Nakba in Gaza and Nakba to anyone who dares to join"- Israel’s agriculture minister

Of course Hamas bears a very significant, though not sole, responsibility. How could they not?

Which does not excuse genocidal intent on the part of extremist Israelis. But neither does the reaction excuse the horror of what Hamas did which was entirely consistent with their desire to destroy Israel and Jews.

Did I say any of those things? I don't think I gave any opinion at all.

I don’t support current Israeli actions on the West Bank or in Gaza but talk about the Gaza population being "close to being wiped out" is absolute blatant nonsense. The UN estimates the population of Gaza at about 2.1 million, and Hamas say about 40,000 have been killed. That's about 2%. Terrible, but not "close to being wiped out".
This number does not include the people buried under the rubbles, or the ones who have died of starvation or from the lack of medicines for diabetes/ cancer/ , or the future deaths which will be directly attributed to the actions of the Israeli government's actions in Gaza.
You’re right that Israel has the power to do it though - if they really wanted to, they could have done it months ago. So obviously they don’t want to.
Even the Israeli government knows that that's a line not to cross. Instead it is done by stealth through constant bombing, the denial of vital ressources for life ( food, meds, the destruction of water infrastructures and so on).

I wonder whether you would be so uninterested about blatant racism against against any other race.
Could you, please, elaborate on this?

You have been on these threads long enough to know damn well what @Miffylou is talking about. The faux naivety just does not work anymore.

Firstly, it is unsettling to know that you appear to keep tabs on posters.
Secondly, English isn't my first language and, at times, I have difficulty getting the meaning behind some sentences.
Finally, I wasn't asking you to answer my question. I am sure the original poster does not need a spokesperson and is fully able to answer for herself/himself.

Firstly, it is unsettling to know that you appear to keep tabs on posters

Hardly....there are many many regular posters on this board.

Could you,please, elaborate on this

For context that poster was responding to something I had posted:

Them:especially if the would-be terrorists who have vowed to murder your whole race live in a neighbouring country.
Me: I'm more concerned about the current race of people in Gaza who are close to being wiped out by an army that has the means and military power to do it.
Them: wonder whether you would be so uninterested about blatant racism against any other race.

HTH

Do you always invalidate people's feelings? You might not find it unsettling but I do.

Is it keeping tabs on posters or is it just that the same posters say the same things over and over again on every thread so their names and posts are recognisable? It's not necessarily anything sinister.

Surely you recognise various posters on here, especially those who post a lot?

First, nonsense. Do you not follow conversations on topics which interest you? A lot of people do.

Secondly, what did you not understand about "I wonder whether you would be so uninterested about blatant racism against any other race"? It meant that I think people on this thread would probably be horrified by, and condemn, anyone saying that their aim was to kill everyone in the world of a particular race - except, apparently, when Hamas say that about Jews.

Finally, I am perfectly happy for @SharonEllis to join in the discussion. This is not a private conversation.

It meant that I think people on this thread would probably be horrified by, and condemn, anyone saying that their aim was to kill everyone in the world of a particular race - except, apparently, when Hamas say that about Jews.

You are completely misrepresenting what I said which I already addressed with you back when the comment was first made so why are you repeating it out of context?

I was responding to @Auvergne63 , who said they wanted elaboration.

People keep changing their usernames though. Loads of new usernames on here recently who seem to know posters very well so they're obviously name changes. No idea why people need to do that, maybe someone can explain the point of it to me?

I'm not keeping tabs on posters! What a silly comment. But I do notice people who crop up a lot - doesn't everyone? As @Miffylou said, its an open discussion.

I would like to remind people that the indirect deaths, which I am sure the government of Israel will be held accountable for, if not straight away, but at some moment in time, will most likely far outnumber 40,000.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext

How interesting that, apparently, expressing a feeling of unease is dismissed as nonsense.
I find posters that, despite overwhelming evidence from reputable sources, still defend the actions of the Israeli government in Gaza as beyond understanding. To state that 40,000 slaughtered (so far) can't possibly be considered a genocide is, well, abhorrant, in my opinion and reflects the lack of comprehension of what constitutes a genocide,
Both Hamas and the Israeli government have openly made genocidal statements. One a terrorist organisation, the other a democracy.
History will not be kind to either of them.

@Auvergne63 particularly when there have indeed been cases of posters being told they're being monitored and being accused of supporting terrorism (which is a criminal offence).

I remember the threats to be reported to the UK organisations dealing with antisemitism or being called anti semitic and Hamas supporter when daring to voice our outrage at the actions of the Israeli government. All very serious accusations and designed to shut down any discussions. They didn't achieve their goals though.
I was visiting family in France this week and the feeling I got from discussing the "conflict" was sheer anger at the lack of actions from Macron and his government. The word genocide was used repeatedly too.
I also saw many cars with a sticker of the Palestinian flag on.
I believe our politicians should be held legally responsible for facilitating this slaughter. Doing nothing when you could is immoral.

Well this has taken a weird turn. Just for the record I do not work for the security services and have not reported anyone to them for supporting terrorism (though there have been a lot of posts in support of the terrorists, some of which I have reported to mumsnet). I would have thought its an entirely normal thing to remember people you have spoken to before or read their posts and a sign that you are taking them seriously.