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SharonEllis · 23/07/2024 20:26

Let me get this straight - you think its a good thing that an 'Anonymous', that is accountable to noone and completely non transparent is blackmailing a sovereign democratic country? How will Anonymous manage the requisite peace process - what are the terms that they will be forcing on Israel to end the war? will they be blackmailing Hamas with to get them to agree to end the war? Will they be forcing them to release the hostages? What do you think 'ending the war' looks like?

EasterIssland · 23/07/2024 21:45

I thought they had already done something in the past and I guess it didn’t make much difference to Israel’s appealing behaviour

“This marks the second time after documents earlier this year of the military and justice ministries were hacked and made public.”

larkstar · 23/07/2024 23:55

I believe this claimed threat was first made in April.

ScrollingLeaves · 24/07/2024 08:04

I have not seen that elsewhere, only this from Haaretz July 22. I cannot get the full article.

Who Is Behind the Qatar Documents Affair, Selling 'Evidence' Against Netanyahu for 200K Euros?

Behind the sensational publications that allegedly attest to funds Qatar lavished upon Netanyahu, lies a network that sells dubious documents for tens of thousands of dollars per page.

The name Marc Eichinger came to my attention last summer. A few weeks before the war in Gaza broke, a source I met in a cafe in Tel Aviv told me about a French citizen who claimed to possess a tranche of Qatari documents linking the Israeli prime minister to a possible bribe and who was willing to help acquire more information.

SharonEllis · 24/07/2024 08:32

We know Netanyahu is corrupt and needs to be brought down. The sooner the better. Thats fine. Its not acceptable for unaccountable forces to be driving the policies of democratic governments through illegal means.

ConnieCounter · 24/07/2024 11:10

SharonEllis · 24/07/2024 08:32

We know Netanyahu is corrupt and needs to be brought down. The sooner the better. Thats fine. Its not acceptable for unaccountable forces to be driving the policies of democratic governments through illegal means.

I suppose some would argue that all bets are off when a supposedly democratic nation breaks international law every day for 9 months straight. And promotes apartheid.

SharonEllis · 24/07/2024 11:18

ConnieCounter · 24/07/2024 11:10

I suppose some would argue that all bets are off when a supposedly democratic nation breaks international law every day for 9 months straight. And promotes apartheid.

Lets hope the grown ups are more interested in finding a workable solution than betting, & cheering on those playing with fire with silly stunts like Anonymous. Its almost as if people don't actually care about Palestinian civilians, but just sticking it to Israel.

BelleHathor · 24/07/2024 11:21

ConnieCounter · 24/07/2024 11:10

I suppose some would argue that all bets are off when a supposedly democratic nation breaks international law every day for 9 months straight. And promotes apartheid.

Earlier this year it was reported that even Drug Dealers are boycotting/refusing to supply their Israeli counterparts.
https://x.com/african_stream/status/1757447109962281435

Anonymous hacks Israeli Security Ministry - gives 48 hours to end the genocide
Finallyloggedin · 24/07/2024 11:22

I think they were mainly just saying that Israel needs to stop murdering innocent men, women and children, feeding people to dogs, torturing them and generally committing genocide. When that stops, maybe a peace process can begin, which I don’t think they actually meant that they want to be involved in.

I echo what @ConnieCounter has just said - it’s far from ideal but no other country in the world seems willing (US, UK, much of Europe) or able (the rest of the world, which luckily still has a moral compass) to stop them from inventing new ways to murder innocent men, women and children day in, day out.

However, sadly I doubt this will actually make a difference.

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SharonEllis · 24/07/2024 11:26

BelleHathor · 24/07/2024 11:21

Earlier this year it was reported that even Drug Dealers are boycotting/refusing to supply their Israeli counterparts.
https://x.com/african_stream/status/1757447109962281435

Three cheers for Moroccan drug dealers! Nothing like Israel for bringing the good guys out of the woodwork.

Luminousalumnus · 24/07/2024 11:28

ConnieCounter · 24/07/2024 11:10

I suppose some would argue that all bets are off when a supposedly democratic nation breaks international law every day for 9 months straight. And promotes apartheid.

I don't think any thinking person would

SharonEllis · 24/07/2024 11:29

Finallyloggedin · 24/07/2024 11:22

I think they were mainly just saying that Israel needs to stop murdering innocent men, women and children, feeding people to dogs, torturing them and generally committing genocide. When that stops, maybe a peace process can begin, which I don’t think they actually meant that they want to be involved in.

I echo what @ConnieCounter has just said - it’s far from ideal but no other country in the world seems willing (US, UK, much of Europe) or able (the rest of the world, which luckily still has a moral compass) to stop them from inventing new ways to murder innocent men, women and children day in, day out.

However, sadly I doubt this will actually make a difference.

I agree compmetely, I have absolutely no doubt that Anonymous and all the other virtue signallers have no desire whatsoever to sully their hands in the hard graft of getting a sustainable peace deal sorted. The important thing is that they have demonstrated to us all that they are on the right side of history so we an all sleep comfortably in our nice peaceful beds far away from the horror of this war.

ConnieCounter · 24/07/2024 11:29

SharonEllis · 24/07/2024 11:18

Lets hope the grown ups are more interested in finding a workable solution than betting, & cheering on those playing with fire with silly stunts like Anonymous. Its almost as if people don't actually care about Palestinian civilians, but just sticking it to Israel.

What grown ups? Not any Israeli or western political leader.

SharonEllis · 24/07/2024 11:30

ConnieCounter · 24/07/2024 11:29

What grown ups? Not any Israeli or western political leader.

You should pop over and sort them all out then! I'm sure they'd be grateful.

Limesodaagain · 24/07/2024 12:08

BelleHathor · 24/07/2024 11:21

Earlier this year it was reported that even Drug Dealers are boycotting/refusing to supply their Israeli counterparts.
https://x.com/african_stream/status/1757447109962281435

I don’t think this is an ethical position on the part of the drug dealers.
There are links between drug trafficking and Hezbollah/Hamas terrorism.

SharonEllis · 24/07/2024 12:27

Limesodaagain · 24/07/2024 12:08

I don’t think this is an ethical position on the part of the drug dealers.
There are links between drug trafficking and Hezbollah/Hamas terrorism.

Well exactly. Drug dealers don't do ethics and drugs are very much tied up with ME extremism & terrorism across the region - I didn't know specifically about Hamas/Hezbollah but its entirely par for the course.

ScrollingLeaves · 24/07/2024 12:28

Limesodaagain · 24/07/2024 12:08

I don’t think this is an ethical position on the part of the drug dealers.
There are links between drug trafficking and Hezbollah/Hamas terrorism.

Hezbollah thinks they are being ‘ethical, according to their belief that they are revenging/defending Palestinians while Israel continues this war against them. So if the drug dealers are linked with Hezbollah and Hamas they may feel they are being ethical too.

Limesodaagain · 24/07/2024 12:50

ScrollingLeaves · 24/07/2024 12:28

Hezbollah thinks they are being ‘ethical, according to their belief that they are revenging/defending Palestinians while Israel continues this war against them. So if the drug dealers are linked with Hezbollah and Hamas they may feel they are being ethical too.

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/media/3195

I know the above is old and not directly relevant to this situation but it is evident that drug dealers often rely on links with terrorist groups in order to transport their drugs .
( in particular this quote “The entry of terrorist groups like Hizbullah into the narcotics trafficking business is large- ly a factor of border insecurity. Were it not for their ability to move product across state lines, the narcotics industry might offer more risk than it was worth”)
I think it’s fanciful to think that Morrocan drug dealers are motivated by concern about Palestinian suffering.

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/media/3195

SharonEllis · 24/07/2024 14:20

Article/Opinion from Washington Post

Opinion
Assad’s drug empire is funding Iranian-backed militias and fueling Hamas
By Josh Rogin
November 13, 2023 at 7:00 a.m. EST

After the Oct. 7 terrorist attack in Israel, several Hamas militants were reportedly found to be high on the illegal drug Captagon, which surely fueled their murderous rampage. But the drug’s threat is greater than the boost it gives terrorists. The Captagon trade has become a key tool of influence for the Syrian regime and a massive source of income for the Iranian-backed militias now attacking U.S. troops.

Captagon, the highly addictive methlike drug, typically comes in small white pills exported by the millions across the Middle East and beyond. Its manufacturing is directly linked to the Syrian armed forces and the family of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. In addition to being a dictator, war criminal and mass murderer, Assad can now add the title of drug kingpin to his résumé. Exporting these drugs worldwide earns him several billion dollars a year. To get Captagon, named after a former brand of fenethylline, into Europe, the Syrian regime built a distribution network that includes cooperation with Lebanese Hezbollah and the Italian mafia.
What’s worse, the Captagon scourge has Arab gulf states so rattled, they are speedily normalizing relations with Assad in hopes he will cut off export to their countries. So far, Assad has used that leverage while only expanding these exports. And the middlemen who transfer the drugs to gulf states are the same Iranian-backed militias that have attacked U.S. troops in Iraq and Syria dozens of times since the Israel-Gaza war began. These attacks on U.S. bases by armed drones and missiles have injured at least 56 American troops, according to the Pentagon.
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“This is just a continuation of drugs fueling terror,” Rep. French Hill (R-Ark.), a member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, told me. “Captagon is supporting terrorism financially, providing the money to expand the reach of terrorists and also fueling the terrorists themselves to go out and commit brutal atrocities like we witnessed in Israel.”

Israeli officials have repeatedly confiscated large Captagon shipments heading into Gaza. Iranian-supported militias operating in Syria and Iraq play a key role, because they control Syria’s borders with Iraq and Jordan. They are using the profits from reselling the drugs to purchase weapons and expand their territory. Assad’s cut helps keep him in power and insulates him from international sanctions.
A report last year by the New Lines Institute stated that the Syrian regime exploits the weaknesses in governance in several countries, especially in North Africa and Southern Europe, by partnering with all sorts of non-state actors and criminal organizations. “The trade’s role as a revenue source for state and non-state actors such as the Syrian government, Hezbollah, and state-affiliated militias has fueled malign activities that have exacerbated insecurity, encouraged corruption, and empowered authoritarian behaviors,” the report said.

In March, the United States and Britain issued coordinated sanctions on some Syrian and Lebanese figures at the top of the Captagon trade, including two of Assad’s cousins. Then, in June, the State Department issued a report that said Syrian regime elements were working with figures connected to Lebanese Hezbollah to produce Captagon. The State Department’s strategy to counter Captagon is limited mostly to tackling the criminal distribution network outside Syria.
There’s a lot more that can and should be done. This week, the House Foreign Affairs Committee unanimously approved a bipartisan bill called the Illicit Captagon Trafficking Suppression Act, which Hill co-sponsored with Florida Democrat Jared Moskowitz. The legislation would authorize expanded sanctions against anyone complicit in the international Captagon trade and specifically calls out several additional Syrian regime officials.
Hill has long been calling for more U.S. coordination with regional countries on the Captagon problem. He has raised the issue with governments in Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Israel and Turkey. The Biden administration should devote more intelligence, law enforcement and diplomatic resources to prevent Iran, Syria and militias from raking in billions from the illegal Captagon trade, he told me.

“We want to cut off that money,” Hill said. He said enacting the legislation would send “a diplomatic signal that the United States stands ready to press the Assad regime to accomplish one of the Arab states’ goals, which is to eliminate its trafficking in their region.”
The Assad regime has now morphed into more of a mafia organization than a government — and the international community should treat it like one. Unless Syria is stopped from using trafficking to finance and fuel regional violence, the plagues of both drugs and terrorism will only worsen.

SharonEllis · 24/07/2024 14:23

Limesodaagain · 24/07/2024 12:50

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/media/3195

I know the above is old and not directly relevant to this situation but it is evident that drug dealers often rely on links with terrorist groups in order to transport their drugs .
( in particular this quote “The entry of terrorist groups like Hizbullah into the narcotics trafficking business is large- ly a factor of border insecurity. Were it not for their ability to move product across state lines, the narcotics industry might offer more risk than it was worth”)
I think it’s fanciful to think that Morrocan drug dealers are motivated by concern about Palestinian suffering.

'Fanciful' is rather kind. Above a more recent article. I do hope people stop and think about the sheer evil of the drugs trade before trying to suggest that some sort of ethics are at play from people who are some of the worst criminals on earth along with sharing an intense hatred for Jews & the state of Israel.

poshsnobtwit · 24/07/2024 14:45

I have absolutely no doubt that Anonymous and all the other virtue signallers have no desire whatsoever to sully their hands in the hard graft of getting a sustainable peace deal sorted

@SharonEllis it's very disrespectful to call people who support Palestinians 'virtue signallers'. I've seen this numerous times, and it implies that they are not worth anything. Palestinian lives matter.

SharonEllis · 24/07/2024 14:58

poshsnobtwit · 24/07/2024 14:45

I have absolutely no doubt that Anonymous and all the other virtue signallers have no desire whatsoever to sully their hands in the hard graft of getting a sustainable peace deal sorted

@SharonEllis it's very disrespectful to call people who support Palestinians 'virtue signallers'. I've seen this numerous times, and it implies that they are not worth anything. Palestinian lives matter.

Nowhere in this or any other post have I suggested that Palestinian lives don't matter. Quite the opposite. I believe they (other than Hamas & other terrorists) deserve more than virtue signalling.

poshsnobtwit · 24/07/2024 15:21

SharonEllis · 24/07/2024 14:58

Nowhere in this or any other post have I suggested that Palestinian lives don't matter. Quite the opposite. I believe they (other than Hamas & other terrorists) deserve more than virtue signalling.

And where is your demarcation between those who genuinely support, and those who are doing it to merely virtue signal?

SharonEllis · 24/07/2024 15:37

poshsnobtwit · 24/07/2024 15:21

And where is your demarcation between those who genuinely support, and those who are doing it to merely virtue signal?

Those who try to blackmail a government with a publicity stunt without putting the effort in to achieve something positive are virtue signallers.

poshsnobtwit · 24/07/2024 15:46

Unfortunately ordinary legal/civil action means nothing to Israel. Desperate times take desperate measures.

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