Protesters drape Westfield Stratford in colossal Palestinian flag

[Oystercavity]

Not acceptable in a family environment. There is a time and a place.

Well done to the shopping centre in dealing with this so smoothly:

"A spokesperson for the London shopping centre said: “Westfield London and Westfield Stratford City are busy family-centric destinations and to ensure a safe and inclusive environment for all our visitors, we do not facilitate protests within our centres."

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/protesters-drape-westfield-stratford-in-colossal-palestinian-flag-lw9ma1jo

How do you know who protested the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and who didn't?

So you don’t want a ceasefire? Do you mind if innocent civilians are dying thanks to weapons produced with your taxes?

You were accusing someone of not caring about a war from 20 years ago. Do you know whether they cared or not ?

also, I can’t see many threads about these countries to discuss the atrocities that are going on in them. I’ve the feeling many people only use the Yemen , Congo etc cards In order to accuse others about antisemitism rather than because those talking about these countries really care about them.

Maybe you have ignored every other unjust war but many others haven't. One million people took the streets of London to protest against the Iraqi war, I was one of them, you were clearly not. Don't claim to know what other people do and don't do and call people antisemitic

I'm so sorry that the protest about the mass genocide in Gaza has upset your sensibilities, and upset some shoppers.

Actually, no. I'm not.

Violent death is not acceptable in a family environment. But it's happening all the time.

You hope that there is never peace for Palestinians and Israelis? Lovely stuff altogether.

I will not answer to the verbal aggression and the assumptions made about me.

But I wanted to post this ( from the Jewish council of Australia) because I support and agree with their core principles.

"The Jewish Council of Australia is a diverse coalition of Jewish academics, lawyers, writers and teachers. We are experts on antisemitism and racism.

We are proud Jewish people in Australia with diverse histories, traditions and politics. We are committed to the values of tikkun olam (repairing the world), calling out injustice, challenging assumptions and promoting debate.

We reject the assertion that Jews and the State of Israel are one and the same, or that all Jewish people support, without criticism, the actions of the Israeli government and military.

While we have diverse views on many issues, we are united in our opposition to Israel’s continued policies aimed at the destruction of Palestinian life. We are opposed to the Israeli occupation and the prioritisation of the rights of Jewish people over the rights of Palestinians.

Jewish safety is not at odds with Palestinian freedom. We support calls for freedom, equality and justice for all Palestinians and Israelis. We reject any claim that this call is racist or antisemitic, or that it is antisemitic to criticise Israel’s conduct.

Racism and antisemitism are on the rise. The only way to effectively fight antisemitism is by committing to work in solidarity with other groups facing bigotry and discrimination to fight all forms of racism."

I own a business- I don’t have anything political put up or leaflets left. They wanted to put a pride poster up as the centre had a festival recently and I said no.

I don't blame you.

I mean just look at this thread. Why the hell would you invite this hostility in your place of work?

Well done to the protestors taking time out of their day to remind everyone that there is a genocide taking place right now, live streamed if you can be bothered to watch

This 100%

It’s not genocide

Sure.

And the focus on Israel is clearly something dodgy. We sell arms to the Saudis and the Syrians. Where are the flags, the encampments, the protests, the boycotts?

There's a lot of passion and compassion, differing views but I think most of us want an end to the conflict, hostage release, negotiations for both Palestinian people and Israeli people to be able to live peacefully in their own states. An end to the hatred. No terrorists control. No more innocent children dying.

I might not agree with you in many things but I do agree on this one and I hope most of the people do.
I do feel there won’t be peace in the area unless there is peace for every civilian of these countries.

💯 agree

It’s not anti-semitism. This whatsboutism is such a silly take.
’Well they’re all committing genocide, so why can we commit genocide?’

The fact is, the UK actively support and arm the Israeli gov to kill and starve many innocent people, mainly women and children, while they go after a small proportion of who they deem as terrorists.

Protesters are against this. Any decent human being should be against the murder of innocent kids.

There’s some evidence on this thread that people should be more concerned about lots of different conflicts. But no evidence that people should be less concerned about the suffering of Palestinian people.

That’s a very fair comment.

Incorrect.

It's not whataboutery it's antisemitism if individuals are only bothered about conflicts where its against Jewish people and not when it's Muslim against Muslim. When Muslim terrorists kill other Muslims the silence is deafening.

That's a striking difference. You may not like it but there you go. People don't like the comparisons and shout whataboutery when it's not. Houthis Shia slaughtered Sunni, oh well, nothing to see there! Speaks volumes.

Everyone should probably just shut up about it and let the barbaric slaughter of innocents continue unchallenged then.

@US2gether

i think your refusal to condemn the actions of the Israeli government also also speaks volumes.

I also think you need to review the power imbalance in the conflicts you’ve mentioned - none quite as stark as that of Israeli and Palestine where the Israeli government literally control fuel, water, food, medical supplies and power going into Gaza. Israeli is one of the very top technology innovators in the world too - and uses it very effectively against the Palestinian Muslims.

there is a huge amount of antisemitism and there has been for centuries (with the Christians being far worse than the Muslims) but there is also a huge amount of racism directed against the Muslims by Israelis as well as posters on this site. Both are very very wrong.

There are genocide literally happing all round the world - Yemeni was bad and in Africa recently.

Not a peep out of the U.K. then. The hypocrisy is strong.

This is political trouble that has been encouraged to grow and fester here.